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Posted Tuesday, July 9, 2013 9:01 PM


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Miles Neale (7/9/2013)
To take what you have said one step further if I could, it does not even have to be a controversial subject. You could take a stand on some method of building a SQL View of a complex collection of data from various joined tables and the indexing of that view that is proven to work great in the reading of the view but takes a long time to build in a batch process every evening. And since you are all for rapid access and see the justification for the large batch window to build that structure you are labeled as one who wastes computer time and resources. Then when you defend yourself you are called argumentative and a rebel.


It could be even worse. Two guys in black suits with badges show up at your home when you're alone, or at work and say we need to talk alone.

They take you into the room with a thick file, never opened, and say "We know what you've been doing. If you don't help us we'll reveal this to everyone you know." Do you have the guts and a pair of testicles to resist or stand up for your rights? Or do you have the typical guilty conscience even if you can't think what they're talking about?




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Posted Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:14 AM


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It could be even worse. Two guys in black suits with badges show up at your home when you're alone, or at work and say we need to talk alone.

Which is why there is a Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution. There can be no unreasonable search nor seizure of information on the part of the government; further, you have a right to an attorney to be present during such 'interviews' as you've described.

And although I advocate it only as a last resort, there is also a Second Amendment. It would be the last refuge of an oppressed people, but that is exactly why it exists.
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Posted Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:29 AM


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It could be even worse. Two guys in black suits with badges show up at your home when you're alone, or at work and say we need to talk alone.

Which is why there is a Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution. There can be no unreasonable search nor seizure of information on the part of the government; further, you have a right to an attorney to be present during such 'interviews' as you've described.

And although I advocate it only as a last resort, there is also a Second Amendment. It would be the last refuge of an oppressed people, but that is exactly why it exists.


Jim's scenario is why you shouldn't reveal anything to law enforcement (in the US) without a lawyer. You never know what might have happened nearby or recently that is the reason you were asked to be talked to. However, despite the 4th amendment, you can be taken in without reasons given and held for a period of time.

I go think that the 4th amendment (and various court decisions later) exist to prevent extended interrogations, but in the US, the Patriot act can preclude this. And some of the decisions taken with the last 4 administrations support this. Which is scary, and not the direction the US government, or any civilized government, should move, IMHO.







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Posted Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:31 AM


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I agree completely, Steve.

The erosion of our civil rights and fundamental freedoms are most worrisome.
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Posted Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:10 AM
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There are some videos on YouTube that explain why you should never say anything to the police! Not even with a lawyer present and i think it is just as applicable to this topic. They go in great details as to why and this is acually a lawschool course.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au4_EdPwTkE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1t3vtr0kxk

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