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Posted Friday, April 5, 2013 10:24 AM


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Belittling and sabotaging the efforts of co-workers goes beyond insensitivity. Fortunately where I work someone like that wouldn't last long. If one is not part of the solution, then one useless. If one is actually creating new problems, then HR is probably already searching for one's replacement.


I have seen just the opposite occur in many shops, those are the very people that seem to outlast the good people.

No doubt that happens a lot. For example, it's possible for the foreman at a manufactoring plant to abuse his employees. But in the professional services industry, the rules of the game are very different.

At least in the long run, like minded people tend to attract and cluster. So, an a-hole boss will inevitably surround himself with either a-hole subordinates or mediocre supplicants. Meanwhile the most talented people will simply walk out the door. At least in the private sector, how long does the shop like that last? They're actually at a competitive disadvantage.

Look at what happened to the financial services industry. At some point in the past their focus shifted from offering sage advice to clients and managing risk to instead high pressure sales and commissions. Not only were managment blind and deaf, but they filled their cubicles with the wrong type of people. Warnings from the smart people downstairs were ignored by management. From the outside it seemed like things were going great for several years, but then the industry imploded.

It's not just polite for management and peers to listen and be open minded; it's ctitical to the survival of the organization.
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Eric M Russell (4/5/2013)So, an a-hole boss will inevitably surround himself with either a-hole subordinates or mediocre supplicants. Meanwhile the most talented people will simply walk out the door. At least in the private sector, how long does the shop like that last? They're actually at a competitive disadvantage.



Exactly Eric, but as long as the A-Hole CEO has got the "deep pockets financial backing" and/or those juicy government contracts, their a-hole company tends to last alot longer than you might think. But I do think overall, you are right, and this is one of the major reasons why America is slipping in the global marketplace as well.The wrong people are in the critical positions and are driving their businesses into the ditch, and what is really unfortunate is many of these "a-hole" people don't seem to really care either...


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Eric M Russell (4/5/2013)So, an a-hole boss will inevitably surround himself with either a-hole subordinates or mediocre supplicants. Meanwhile the most talented people will simply walk out the door. At least in the private sector, how long does the shop like that last? They're actually at a competitive disadvantage.



Exactly Eric, but as long as the A-Hole CEO has got the "deep pockets financial backing" and/or those juicy government contracts, their a-hole company tends to last alot longer than you might think. But I do think overall, you are right, and this is one of the major reasons why America is slipping in the global marketplace as well.The wrong people are in the critical positions and are driving their businesses into the ditch, and what is really unfortunate is many of these "a-hole" people don't seem to really care either...

If we're talking about the government sector, then the rules change again. They have the luxery of pouring more and more money into a bucket despite all the holes. However, the government is running out of credit and the tax payers are pushing back. If there is any silver lining that mess, it's that the government(s) will be forced to change how they do things.
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Posted Friday, April 5, 2013 11:12 AM


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Wishful thinking.

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Posted Friday, April 5, 2013 11:43 AM
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Eric M Russell (4/5/2013) In professions like engineering, scientific research, and defense, emotions just get in the way. At least that's the case at the lower technical level. Of course every industry has a public facing level, even if only a small percentage of the professionals in that industry are directly involved in it.


Eric, for the most part I would agree. In the area of scientific research emotion however can be the driving force behind all the research. I have seen over the years scientists driven by raw passion and aggression to solve some issue that is very emotional to them. A doctor who has lost his child or spouse to some disease may out of some emotional drive dedicate their life to work usually trying to find a cure for the disease that took their loved one. They could not be more emotional about their work, and if they lost their emotional they would loose motivation.

Those who are crusaders are driven by emotion, even appearing to potentially be unstable at times they press on to solve problems or prove their theory with enough emotion and passion to kill some other people. And while it is hard to be around a person like that, I am thankful for the cures, proven research, knowledge, and wisdom they bring to all of us.


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Thanks everyone for reading - and for the comments. For those that have had their emotions trampled, you're not alone - and I hope this discussion will help you build the case and counter the strange "emotional vacuum" project that some shops/people unwittingly set up.

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And while it is hard to be around a person like that, I am thankful for the cures, proven research, knowledge, and wisdom they bring to all of us.


John Walsh is a perfect example of this. There are many people who still think he is a real scumbag for profiting off the brutal murder of his son that ultimately led to the founding of the "America's Most Wanted" TV show thus making him a well known celebrity worth millions now. I mean this is the guy that jokingly told senators to implant "exploding" chips in the anuses of sex offenders. But that aside, look at all the good, fugitives captured, and the lives saved that has come out of that show too?


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Eric M Russell (4/5/2013) In professions like engineering, scientific research, and defense, emotions just get in the way. At least that's the case at the lower technical level. Of course every industry has a public facing level, even if only a small percentage of the professionals in that industry are directly involved in it.

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Those who are crusaders are driven by emotion, even appearing to potentially be unstable at times they press on to solve problems or prove their theory with enough emotion and passion to kill some other people. And while it is hard to be around a person like that, I am thankful for the cures, proven research, knowledge, and wisdom they bring to all of us.

Yes, they are useful to have around when inspiration and team moral is at a low point. Too bad they don't have an ON / OFF switch. Perhaps that's why we keep them in glass cages or hire them on temporarily as consultants.
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Why is it there is an expectancy for the "positive" emotionally related attitudes but any which are deemed "negative" are expected to be left at the door. Either one is engaged or not. No-one can selectively choose which emotions to apply. Either you are emotional about your work (passionate, enthusiastic etc) or you are dispassionate (not necessarily a bad worker but rarely exceptional).

Professionalism is a totally different facet of an individual i.e. unrelated to the emotional status.


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Posted Monday, April 8, 2013 6:54 AM
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Eric M Russell (4/5/2013)So, an a-hole boss will inevitably surround himself with either a-hole subordinates or mediocre supplicants. Meanwhile the most talented people will simply walk out the door. At least in the private sector, how long does the shop like that last? They're actually at a competitive disadvantage.



Exactly Eric, but as long as the A-Hole CEO has got the "deep pockets financial backing" and/or those juicy government contracts, their a-hole company tends to last alot longer than you might think. But I do think overall, you are right, and this is one of the major reasons why America is slipping in the global marketplace as well.The wrong people are in the critical positions and are driving their businesses into the ditch, and what is really unfortunate is many of these "a-hole" people don't seem to really care either...

If we're talking about the government sector, then the rules change again. They have the luxery of pouring more and more money into a bucket despite all the holes. However, the government is running out of credit and the tax payers are pushing back. If there is any silver lining that mess, it's that the government(s) will be forced to change how they do things.

I hear ya buddy! I also enjoy living and working in fantasyland where the good guy always wins!!!!
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