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Posted Monday, March 25, 2013 11:10 AM
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One of the problems with more modern vehicles is that they are too intelligent for their own good.

I know a highly competent mechanic who had to take a vehicle to a main dealer because installing a window switch required it to be registered with the vehicle central computer. No registration, no start.

I loath and detest the decisions my wife's car makes on my behalf.
Switch to reverse? you clearly want the radio turned down.
Press the switch to direct air to the windscreen? You clearly want the fan on as well at maximum blast.
Press the accelerator at a round-a-bout? Clearly you want the DSG gearbox to dither, prevaricate and delay before setting off like a gingered greyhound.
Hold the door lock switch a fraction too long? Clearly you want the windows opening.
Press the door lock switch? Clearly you want your wife to stand in the rain while you fumble for whatever the hell it is that unlocks the doors other than the drivers doors. Clue, it isn't the remote switch because that sodding thing just drops the windows down to ensure that all passengers get equally damp.
Asked to wash the windows? Clearly you want the wipers to wipe one wipe beyond the optimum to return your windscreen to the smeared state it started at.
Auto arming alarms...Oh don't get me started. The valeting that was needed after the dog got woken unexpected by the alarm. It was worth every penny I paid to have it valeted even if I did have to live of porridge and left overs for the rest of the week!


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Posted Monday, March 25, 2013 11:25 AM


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David.Poole (3/25/2013)
One of the problems with more modern vehicles is that they are too intelligent for their own good.



I tend to agree with your annoyances, but I do like the intelligence of the cars. I just wish it were a little more customizable. Let me decide how many wipes, how to handle reverse, etc.







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Posted Monday, March 25, 2013 1:11 PM
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David, I know what you mean about all of the gadgets, especially for me the windows! Perhaps it's because this is the first car I've ever owned that has automated windows, but man, I'm sick of those things. Especially the driver's window! The weather's getting a bit warmer, so I want to crack my window while driving. No way! I've tried with almost no success at all, to just crack the window, but does it let me? Almost never. It wants to roll the thing all the way down. I've tried punching that thing as fast as I can, so that it is a depressed for as short a time as possible, but almost always it rolls the window all the way down. I feel like I'm practicing for a badly made kung fu movie when the sound is delayed by about a third of a second, and my Sienna is going, "Oh, Grasshopper, I see you're returned to challenge me. Let's see just how fast you can depress and release the button." The infuriating thing is that sometimes I get it right and actually do just crack the window. When that happens it's the highlight of my day.

It's a sad thing when the highlight of your day is cracking your window.



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Posted Monday, March 25, 2013 4:41 PM
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Rod, the one I witnessed was one of our IT delivery managers parking up in his Alfa 159 with the windows down absolutely blue in the face. He'd tried to put his window down to scrape ice off his wing mirror and the electrics packed up.

60 miles to work and he was seriously cold. He cursed the car and stabbed the button and buzzzzzz the window went straight up. He went from blue faced to red faced and very shouty in 0.00001 nanoseconds.

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Posted Monday, March 25, 2013 9:29 PM
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Just on the key thing, a number of manufacturers are going the "smart-key" route, and they are very nice to use. Not fumbling for keys etc. and proximity detection for door opening is nice.

For the other features like which doors to unlock, you need to go through the settings in the car. There are usually a bunch of configuration things, including which door gets opened when you press the button! One car I hadyou could set the steering sensitivity through the configuration.

If you don't like the default behaviour of the car, ring the sales centre and ask them how you change it!
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Just on the key thing, a number of manufacturers are going the "smart-key" route, and they are very nice to use. Not fumbling for keys etc. and proximity detection for door opening is nice.

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There is something really really wrong with the pricing structure of 2-300 for replacment keys, when smart chips are cheap enough to put into credit cards (and secure enough to protect bank accounts).

There is a huge increase in points of failure (and these components DO fail) in these 'convenience' features along with the fact that many cars don't give you a mechanical over-ride to these wiz-bang systems. The current systems are designed to be a cash cow for dealerships, and to help lock out independent mechanics.

There is another issue too. The argument that 'there are plenty of configuration options'. Typically this is sales BS because there is little practical benefit to many of the 'choices', it just inflates the numbers to make the system sound sophisticated. A good system, that is a well designed system, should have legitimate need for only a limited number of configurations. A dictionary full of options is your first indication that this product was not thought out, so they threw everything on the wall


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Posted Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:05 PM
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Also, both the smart keys I have also include a detachable manual key as well, for those moments when you need a genuine key.

The argument over what a "properly thought out" system entails is a religious debate, and I'll leave that for better theologians than I!
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My Prius has a detachable key, but it's only for the door.

Also, if the battery is dead, then you can't unlock the rear hatch, which is where the battery is. A few things not thought out.







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Steve Jones - SSC Editor (3/26/2013)
My Prius has a detachable key, but it's only for the door.

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Not just the Prius, many (if not most) cars are like this now.

There was an interesting incident (Miami, I believe) where authorities discovered a 'pirate' radio transmitter. Turns out that over the previous months, quite a few cars had to be towed from the nearby parking lot because the touchless keys did not work (and there was no mechanical override), often resulting in the (quite expensive) replacement of the computer. Apparently the poorly designed transmitter was interfering with the encryption handshake from the keys.


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Posted Wednesday, March 27, 2013 7:51 AM
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When it comes to control systems its worth asking if a complex electronic system is actually required.

At one point Renault used an electronic hand-brake in one of their models. When it went wrong the driver had to use the manual override in the boot/trunk. So you are standing on a hill with a failed electronic hand-brake having to pull a manual override in the back of the car. Guess what can go wrong


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