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Posted Wednesday, August 29, 2012 12:03 AM


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Posted Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:34 AM
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I had an interview once where I should have kept my mouth shut

The interview had gone well and I had impressed on the interviewers how I was a good team player but also was happy to lead projects and teams and could work well on my own prioritising my own work with numerous examples to back this up,

Next however came the dreaded psychometric test 50 random questions to establish how well I would fit in the company I would then get to meet the team leaders. Once completed the HR manager came down to the review the results and established that from the results I was not a team player, could not work on my own and would need constant supervision whilst working (all completely the opposite of how I actually work) I tried to defend myself as I could see these results would do my job prospect no good, I am sure no colourful language crept in but I might have been close to it as I good see this job disappearing quickly but was perhaps to vigorous in my defence of my abilities and the problems with these type of tests. Her response put the nail in the coffin “I have never known these results to be incorrect; we find them always to be completely accurate”. I never heard anything about that job.
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Posted Wednesday, August 29, 2012 6:14 AM
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Daniel Wood (8/29/2012)
I had an interview once where I should have kept my mouth shut

The interview had gone well and I had impressed on the interviewers how I was a good team player but also was happy to lead projects and teams and could work well on my own prioritising my own work with numerous examples to back this up,

Next however came the dreaded psychometric test 50 random questions to establish how well I would fit in the company I would then get to meet the team leaders. Once completed the HR manager came down to the review the results and established that from the results I was not a team player, could not work on my own and would need constant supervision whilst working (all completely the opposite of how I actually work) I tried to defend myself as I could see these results would do my job prospect no good, I am sure no colourful language crept in but I might have been close to it as I good see this job disappearing quickly but was perhaps to vigorous in my defence of my abilities and the problems with these type of tests. Her response put the nail in the coffin “I have never known these results to be incorrect; we find them always to be completely accurate”. I never heard anything about that job.

I once worked for a company that used one of those tests to screen candidates. I was amazed at how my opinion of candidates didn't match what the test showed. So, a fellow manager and I decided to see what was what. Wow!

After a few iterations, and amazingly bad results (we were labeled psychopathic drug abusing hippy freak thiefs and murderers!) we started taking apart the test. Did you know that if you like to fish, you are not a good person? Did you know that if you do not like to fish, you are not a good person? Did you know that people who use drugs are not trustworthy, and those who don't use drugs are liars?

While I am sure not every test was as bad as that one, I am one of those who does not feel you can derive someone's personality from a multiple choice test. I am a quick test taker, and so I have extra time on every test to think about the point behind the question. I have easily determined what the "correct answer" is on lots of tests simply by having more time to look around and spot patterns. While there are people who might simply answer truthfully to everything, it is naive to think everyone will, or even most people. When someone needs a job (millions of Americans are out of work or underemployeed!) being truthful takes a back seat to paying the bills.


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Posted Wednesday, August 29, 2012 6:21 AM
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I believe people should think about what they say. I also don't buy the "identically qualified" candidate argument. IMO HR departments and others tend to focus more on personality than skills. I have worked for many companys where everyone got along, yet a few of us pulled the majority of the weight because nobody else had a clue what they were doing.

I have also worked for companies where we where most or all of us were skilled at what we did. As you would expect with a group of intelligent people, we didn't agree on everything. We were also the most productive group of people I have ever had the pleasure to be a part of!

I will take knowledge and capability over personality any time. If you pull your weight, and if you try to do things correctly, we will get along just fine.


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Posted Wednesday, August 29, 2012 6:27 AM
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I can curse with the best of them, but I choose to refrain from such language in the presence of others. Steve is correct stating that we in the U.S. have the freedom to say what we want. That freedom also extends to the listener, who has the freedom to NOT listen. I agree that cursing promotes a negative impression and tell my children the speaker "needs to expand his/her vocabulary" when we hear it.
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Posted Wednesday, August 29, 2012 6:39 AM
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Cursing can have a place. A few choice words can have an impact. It's all about context. I would never curse at work. But at a bar, it's almost expected. I find excessive cursing (as defined by me) to be tiring. I also have a negative opinion of those who curse excessively, even in a bar. Excessive cursing (again defined by me alone) leaves me with the impression that the speaker lacks intelligence.
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Posted Wednesday, August 29, 2012 6:53 AM


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Steve has obviously been taken hostage (see photo), and this editorial is simply a cry for help! To arms!

Seriously though, cursing is uncalled for, I hate that f@#$ing $#^!


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Posted Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:15 AM
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This is how it starts. Steve wants us to police our language at work. Then the government passes laws banning curse words at work and at home for the children's sake. Next thing you know they will take away my assualt rifles, tobacco and ammo stash so I will be aggitated chewing nicotine gumm & unprotected with only my assorted small arms, shotguns and rambo knives when the aliens come to eat us. WTF?
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Posted Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:49 AM


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This is how it starts. Steve wants us to police our language at work. Then the government passes laws banning curse words at work and at home for the children's sake. Next thing you know they will take away my assualt rifles, tobacco and ammo stash so I will be aggitated chewing nicotine gumm & unprotected with only my assorted small arms, shotguns and rambo knives when the aliens come to eat us. WTF?


Didn't ask you to police anything. Just suggested you think about it. You get the consequences with the responsibility.

I assume you're joking, but it's not a black and white issue. There shouldn't be rules about this, but there also shouldn't be any expectation that anyone else has to live with behavior by others without being offended or being able to lodge a complaint.

What we need more is judgment on the issue from managers, not silly rules.







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Posted Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:52 AM


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I believe people should think about what they say. I also don't buy the "identically qualified" candidate argument. IMO HR departments and others tend to focus more on personality than skills. I have worked for many companys where everyone got along, yet a few of us pulled the majority of the weight because nobody else had a clue what they were doing.


There is no such thing as two people that are identically qualified. All our previous experience and skills are different. Besides, how do we measure that?

I disagree with you on focusing on skills. Skills can be taught. Personality cannot. Disagreements are separate from not getting along at all. I think teams require the ability to get along, personality-wise, while also disagreeing and debating on topics.

Where I think we can fail is that we don't require people to get better at their jobs enough. We allow mediocrity to languish, instead of pressing on people to improve over time and get better at their jobs.







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