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Steve Jones - SSC Editor
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Posted Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:12 AM
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Pride and Security
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Posted Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:41 AM
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I couldn't agree more. I've had jobs over the whole spectrum of work environments, from outright aggression and paranoia right up to total trust and love. (Well, it was a non-profit). At the jobs where individuals were respected and empowered, I found I became far more proactive in finding ways to benefit the enterprise. Guess what? Granny was right; you get more flies with honey than with vinegar. Buzzzz.
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Posted Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:48 AM
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I agree of course.
However, it's interesting that one hears these stories every now and then and one often has their own stories as well... It's interesting how there can be so many companies with so bad chiefs, I believe family and friend politics is often a reason together with bad judgment and incompetence. I've seen companies with somewhat a culture of fear and incompetence as well. Oracle is one company that comes to mind and some consultant companies.
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Eric M Russell
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Posted Tuesday, December 20, 2011 7:01 AM
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I believe all organizations should get to know the people who handle their sensitive data and make sure they are happy. If they are not worth paying well or knowing, then get rid of them and hire someone who is. Database management is not a commodity that you can farm out to the lowest bidder.
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Another issue for technical types is that we sometimes have to deal with managers who don't fully (or even partially) understand what we do or what we're even talking about, but will do anything to avoid admitting their ignorance in front of their workers. I've observed that managers who lack IT expertise, and can't manage IT workers from the basis of shared knowledge of the work at hand, will often posture more aggressively
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Steve Jones - SSC Editor
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Posted Tuesday, December 20, 2011 9:26 AM
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Capt. Sigerson (12/20/2011)
Another issue for technical types is that we sometimes have to deal with managers who don't fully (or even partially) understand what we do or what we're even talking about, but will do anything to avoid admitting their ignorance in front of their workers. I've observed that managers who lack IT expertise, and can't manage IT workers from the basis of shared knowledge of the work at hand, will often posture more aggressively
That's a bad manager. I would always admit when I didn't understand something from my group, but make them explain it and ensure that it made sense to everyone else. That often uncovers flaws in one person's logic.
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Posted Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:33 AM
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Perfect topic for the day. I had similar feelings as I was writing and scheduling my
blog
that went out today.
Jason
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Posting Performance Based Questions - Gail Shaw
Posting Data Etiquette - Jeff Moden
Hidden RBAR - Jeff Moden
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If you want to read about real world applications of social engineering, read Ghost in the Wires by Kevin Mitnick. This guy would be considered the SUPREME social engineer. It also gives good insight into how these kinds of attacks work.. For a little company they aren't so useful, as soon as you get bigger though and have people spread around and don't know everybody, you are definitely ripe for the attack. And I agree, once you get past the short wall of natural suspicion people are very willing and happy to help.
I would also suggest the book Deception by the same author which is more of a self-help book for security..
CEWII
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Steve Jones - SSC Editor
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Elliott Whitlow (12/20/2011)
If you want to read about real world applications of social engineering, read Ghost in the Wires by Kevin Mitnick. This guy would be considered the SUPREME social engineer. I would also suggest the book Deception by the same author which is more of a self-help book for security..
CEWII
Second vote. Those are good books
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Elliott Whitlow (12/20/2011)
If you want to read about real world applications of social engineering, read Ghost in the Wires by Kevin Mitnick. This guy would be considered the SUPREME social engineer. It also gives good insight into how these kinds of attacks work.. For a little company they aren't so useful, as soon as you get bigger though and have people spread around and don't know everybody, you are definitely ripe for the attack. And I agree, once you get past the short wall of natural suspicion people are very willing and happy to help.
I would also suggest the book Deception by the same author which is more of a self-help book for security..
CEWII
Very good recommendations.
Jason
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Posting Data Etiquette - Jeff Moden
Hidden RBAR - Jeff Moden
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