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GilaMonster
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Posted Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:05 AM
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Nice article, but it just reinforces a query I've had for a while: why does bulk-logged recovery mode even exist? It has some hefty downsides compared to full recovery, and the only advantage I can see is that your log file might not get quite so big when using it, which seems a fairly minimal sort of advantage to my mind. Does someone with more SQL experience than me (i.e. practically everybody) have an example of a situation where it's really better to use bulk-logged recovery mode?
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Excellent article Gail. I liked all the myths and misconceptions you mentioned escpecially this one.
Myth 4: You have to switch from simple recovery to bulk-logged recovery model to get minimally logged operations.
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Gail,
I believe that it isn't simply a case of truncating on checkpoint for simple mode. I could be wrong but I thought it was a case of the truncation occuring for checkpointed transactions when the transaction log reaches a certain percentage of fullness i.e. 70%
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David.Poole (9/1/2011)
I believe that it isn't simply a case of truncating on checkpoint for simple mode. I could be wrong but I thought it was a case of the truncation occuring for checkpointed transactions when the transaction log reaches a certain percentage of fullness i.e. 70%
Checkpoint truncates the log every time it runs. You can prove that by running various data-modification queries, running checkpoint and then checking fn_dblog (I do that any time I want to examine what an operation logs)
That 70% (iirc) is specifically for TempDB. It has some very different rules
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paul.knibbs (9/1/2011)
Nice article, but it just reinforces a query I've had for a while: why does bulk-logged recovery mode even exist? It has some hefty downsides compared to full recovery, and the only advantage I can see is that your log file might not get quite so big when using it, which seems a fairly minimal sort of advantage to my mind. Does someone with more SQL experience than me (i.e. practically everybody) have an example of a situation where it's really better to use bulk-logged recovery mode?
When you want to do major data loads, you don't want the overhead of full logging (nor the log growth) but you don't want to switch to simple recovery.
Let's say someone's bulk-inserting 50GB of data (maybe a bit extreme). In full recovery, that's at least 50GB of log space used. In bulk-logged, it's a lot less.
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True, but since you need to switch it back to full recovery and then take a log backup--which, as the article said, will easily be the full 50Gb and change thanks to having to include all the altered pages--I'm still not sure this offers a major advantage! You're just moving the 50Gb of disk space usage from one place to another.
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paul.knibbs (9/1/2011)
I'm still not sure this offers a major advantage! You're just moving the 50Gb of disk space usage from one place to another.
The log backup if you'd done the load in full recovery would also be around 50GB or more (the entire used log space would get backed up).
It's also a time advantage not just a space one. Less logging = less overhead = faster load.
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Good article with simple concise explanations. I actually don't remember knowing that the Simple recovery model had minimally logged operations. I thought the logging was the same as FULL. Learned something new even though I thought I understood the topic.
One note, I usually change the model database to simple because I have the model log grow and I don't want or need to do log backups. This does mean I need to specifically set the recovery model to FULL for new databases that I know need log backups, but I normally do that anyway.
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Gail,
I always enjoy reading your posts and blogs. It is awesome that you are so willing to share your knowledge and experience.
One of the items you noted is
Truncate table, for example, only logs the page de-allocations (as does drop table), but since that is enough information to fully redo the truncate table, that is classified as ‘fully logged’
Now I know that Truncate Table, like Create Table or Alter Table, are Data Definition Language (DDL) and I always thought that they were stand-alone operations and could not be redone or undone.
Now I know at the very least they are logged for "Redo" operations, but am I correct in thinking that there is still no "undo" short of completing a point-in-time recovery before the DDL operation was run?
Regards,
Irish
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