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Steve Jones - SSC Editor

Posted Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:09 PM

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Posted Friday, July 22, 2011 5:32 AM

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Salary depends on location and job responsibilities. Go to a site like salary.com and look up "Database Administrator" for your zip code.

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Posted Friday, July 22, 2011 5:35 AM

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http://www.roberthalftechnology.com/SalaryCenter

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cengland0

Posted Friday, July 22, 2011 5:37 AM

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Here's the salary information for my location:

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cengland0

Posted Friday, July 22, 2011 5:39 AM

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Ninja's_RGR'us (7/22/2011)

http://www.roberthalftechnology.com/SalaryCenter

Using your link, this is what I get:

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Posted Friday, July 22, 2011 5:43 AM

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That's why I like mine better BigGrin

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No seriously I think we should come up with the top 3-5 sites and then average those reports (expected salary), then go in the negotiation room with the top 1-2 as a starting point.

So what are your negotiation tips / tactics?

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cengland0

Posted Friday, July 22, 2011 5:54 AM

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Ninja's_RGR'us (7/22/2011)

So what are your negotiation tips / tactics?

I haven't been on the Market for a new job for 10 years. I have no desire to leave my current company regardless of salary.

If I was interested in going elsewhere, and I still have my current job, I would demand the salary at the higher end of the range. If they don't accept, I don't take the job.

On the other hand, if I was laid-off and was desperate to find a new one, I would probably accept whatever they offered the first time.

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Ian Massi

Posted Friday, July 22, 2011 6:14 AM

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I tend to go by whatever salaries random and non-random recruiters tell me about jobs they want to put me in. They usually don't say it right up front but if you seem even remotely interested they'll at least give you a range if you tell them you won't talk further unless you know it. I don't tend to do that since I'm quite happy where I am though. I work near Toronto and that Robert Half tool seems about right. Then again, the recruiter I keep in touch with (he got me into the job I have today and I helped him fill another DBA job) is with Robert Half so it stands to reason. Based on all that information I'd say I'm fairly compensated.

As for negotiation techniques, I'd say the best one is to have them say a salary number first. Then you can go up from there. I don't get too aggressive, just treat it the same way as negotiating a price on a car or house. They don't intend to get the asking price so just offer something a little more advantageous to you and they probably won't even bat an eye. Worst case they say no or counter, unlikely they won't want to go forward with the job offer. In the past I've bumped up a starting salary from their initial offer by 10% and 7.5%. One I was perfectly happy with the starting salary but asked for 3 weeks of vacation instead of 2 to start. The first person who says a salary number is at a disadvantage, so just try to make sure it isn't you. Also, it's much easier on the nerves to negotiate when you still have a job and you're looking at a new one. But negotiating even a small salary increase right at the start will pay huge dividends later, especially if it's a place that has salary based bonuses and benefits.

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Posted Friday, July 22, 2011 6:19 AM

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I am in Duluth, MN and the numbers are about 25% lower, however I don't think there are many DBA's here that have job descriptions that match to larger markets. Also I am in government, so it is difficult to put value on all the benefits plus the stability of the job. We just changed some job descriptions so HR did it's own research, comparing our new descriptions to other similar sized government entities. With the wide variety of how people arrange IT work, they were only able to match 70% of the skills. Our pay came within a +/-10% range so there will be no changes.

Someone in the department had numbers for a Fox/Lawson survey that put us further below the average, but it was argued that we don't compare to private industry, and the survey was out of date. My personal perspective is that I could find a little more pay but I'd have to work a lot more for it and I wouldn't get all those government holidays. I'll let the younger folks have those jobs.

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Posted Friday, July 22, 2011 7:36 AM

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I have a good feel for how much I'm worth. I did some research before leaving my last job. Straight salary I'm probably a little low where I am now but health insurance is half what it was at my last place (one of the benefits of working for a hospital system) so that's a good thing. And I'm working someplace that has a direct benefit to society which means a lot to me.

I find it interesting that the Robert Half graph doesn't take work experience into account. Nor does Salary.com. Both those are close for Burlington, VT at 87 and 88 grand. Payscale, which does ask questions about experience and industry says 66 grand which seems low to me and not what I saw last I looked into it.

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