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Posted Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:01 PM


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Posted Wednesday, July 20, 2011 12:57 AM
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However I think that both of those groups are the minorities at most jobs.


That might be true but the majority of employees in ANY company look at their employer as a stepping stone in their careers. Loyalty to the company they work for is temporary at best. Under such a scenario it is foolish to expect the company to be loyal to the employees and pay for training them when the employer knows that most if not all employees will jump ship in a few months or years. The days of any employee remaining a lifetime with a single company are dead. I think I am going to be flamed for this point of view.
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Posted Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:22 AM
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I haven't worked for a company/organisation who could even _afford_ training. I've taught myself for the past 10 years or so.
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Posted Wednesday, July 20, 2011 2:18 AM


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I work with applications support satff who just love to rack up training, but who never apply it when they get bak to work.

What a waste...
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Posted Wednesday, July 20, 2011 3:12 AM


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umailedit (7/20/2011)
However I think that both of those groups are the minorities at most jobs.


That might be true but the majority of employees in ANY company look at their employer as a stepping stone in their careers. Loyalty to the company they work for is temporary at best. Under such a scenario it is foolish to expect the company to be loyal to the employees and pay for training them when the employer knows that most if not all employees will jump ship in a few months or years. The days of any employee remaining a lifetime with a single company are dead. I think I am going to be flamed for this point of view.


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This isnt going to exactly be a flame but... Why would an employee stay if the employer didnt show any interest in their career, goals, progression? Under those circumstances your chances of 'good will' are next to f-all.

My personal favorite was being told by an IT Director that 'You'll never get premoted or progress here. I would suggest you stay here until you find something better. I assume that if you are here its because you want to be'. So basically, we arent gonna give you a thing and put up or shut up.

We have an annual performance rating here (1-5), 1 being your fired, 3 being your good enough, 4 and 5 being we have to invest in you to keep you here (you should run the place). The DBA's and Infrastructure team have been told 'dont aim for 4 or 5, just be a 3 cause you'll never be graded higher'.

My last two reviews i have been graded as 4-4.5 but always given a 3.

Why do you think that is? Its not the always the employee at fault!


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Posted Wednesday, July 20, 2011 3:13 AM


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I work in the banking industry and wouldn't admit to not knowing something and needing training. That would open the door to a layoff the next budget crisis. I will get my training in alternative ways instead of through the company unless it's a new system and all the other developers are getting trained on it too.
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Posted Wednesday, July 20, 2011 3:15 AM


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I work in the banking industry and wouldn't admit to not knowing something and needing training. That would open the door to a layoff the next budget crisis. I will get my training in alternative ways instead of through the company unless it's a new system and all the other developers are getting trained on it too.


You dont work for RBS do you


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Posted Wednesday, July 20, 2011 3:34 AM


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You dont work for RBS do you

Not that one but one of the other top 10 banks in the world.
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Posted Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:40 AM
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I have had a number of jobs that mentioned training as one of the benefits. The reality has always been quite the opposite; the IT training budget is one of the first things off the table when business is slow or the future is uncertain.

So, necessity being the mother of invention, I have had to develop new ways of learning things, this site being one of my primary sources. While I don't get the formalized classroom training and the books and the certificate, instead I get an opportunity to explore various possibilities for how to do specific tasks, and then time to think about how those possibilities could be applied in other situations.

Sure, I would love to have some more formalized training, but I guess at this point, I just no longer expect it. The eternal optimist am I.
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Posted Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:17 AM


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Hey! Wait a second!!!

That's a good whine about companies that dont pay for training and I admit, I have been lucky in my career that the larger companies I have worked for REQUIRE employees take training courses! When I worked for IBM you had to complete 2 training courses (of your choice) per year!

Here is the REAL whine...

Since Microsoft and most other software vendors change their systems every 6-18 months, making any training you just took sometimes completely useless, but most of the time outdated - HOW THE HE__ DO I GET MY MONEY BACK!!!

Now, ok, companies pay for training - its their loss - but I spent over 4,000 of my own dollars (many years ago) to be an XBase (FoxPro, dBase...) expert, and now? Thats ALL gone. So is my 4,000+ dollars! And what did I get for that? A nice certificate or two - suitable for framing, or indeed, for starting the barbeque with (they burn very nicely...)
Want to know where the real "Stupid" is? Its in all of us who pay through the nose for training that will be out of date within a couple years. Now THAT is stupid!!!


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