InstantForum.NET v2.9.0SQLServerCentralhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/notifications@sqlservercentral.comTue, 18 Jun 2013 16:01:04 GMT20http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspxNice. Thanks for info. :-):-D:cool:Thu, 08 Apr 2010 13:39:43 GMTKit Ghttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspx[quote][b]Kit G (4/7/2010)[/b][hr]Whoohooo! Thanks a bunch! It is some nicely poetic stuff. The first sentence kinda reminds me of some soliloquy I'd expect to find in a scene from Shakespeare. The rest of it, not so much. Although, considering how many years it's been since I've read Shakespeare, I wouldn't be surprised to find that a) it isn't Shakespeare or b) it's Shakespeare and even comes from a play I read so many years ago.[/quote]I did a bit of research and discovered where it comes from - it's section 1.10.33 of Cicero's "de Finibus Bonorum et Malorum". Knowing that I could find a translation by a real Latin scholar, which is naturally much better than what I did. Here's that translation (made by H.Rackam, in 1914):[i]On the other hand, we denounce with righteous indignation and dislike men who are so beguiled and demoralized by the charms of pleasure of the moment, so blinded by desire, that they cannot foresee the pain and trouble that are bound to ensue; and equal blame belongs to those who fail in their duty through weakness of will, which is the same as saying through shrinking from toil and pain. These cases are perfectly simple and easy to distinguish. In a free hour, when our power of choice is untrammelled and when nothing prevents our being able to do what we like best, every pleasure is to be welcomed and every pain avoided. But in certain circumstances and owing to the claims of duty or the obligations of business it will frequently occur that pleasures have to be repudiated and annoyances accepted. The wise man therefore always holds in these matters to this principle of selection: he rejects pleasures to secure other greater pleasures, or else he endures pains to avoid worse pains.[/i]Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:23:31 GMTL' Eomot Inverséhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspx[quote][b]Tom.Thomson (4/7/2010)[/b][hr][quote][b]Kit G (4/1/2010)[/b][hr]Any chance of getting a translation of that Latin in that last paragraph?[/quote]OK, but bear in mind that it's 49 years since I last translated a Latin passage that I hadn't previously studied in class (I wasn't allowed to use a dictionary then but I have for this) so this will definitely not be 100% accurate. (It may even be close to 100% inaccurate, but I don't think so.) I actually rather like the sentiments expressed - but I haven't a clue whether this is a quotation from some classical author or something made up for the occassion. Maybe Steve can answer that one?1st sentence:[i]While we do, to be sure, both impugn and deem worthy of justified hostility those who, enticed and corrupted by the charm of present enjoyment, in their greed make no provision for the relief of their pains and troubles, in the same way those are guilty who in the weakness of their character neglect their duties, that is by avoiding all toil and pain.[/i]I like that sentiment; I think Jeff will too - neither of us has any time for slackers.2nd sentence:[i]And indeed the distinction of these things is easy to carry out and not cumbersome.[/i]I wish that were true - if it were they'd have to change their ways or never be employed.3rd and 4th sentences:[i]For in idle times when we are free to choose any option whatsover and nothing prevents that we be able to do that which most pleases, every pleasure is to be obtained and every pain thrust away. On the other hand at certain times also whether through duties owed or through the necessities of affairs it often happens that pleasures are to be laid aside and dificulties are not to be avoided.[/i]5th sentence:[i]Therefore in such circumstances these things are held by the wise man to be chosen so that either by rejecting pleasures other(*) great things are achieved or by enduring difficulties drastic consequences are averted. [/i](*) "alias" might be "other", but it might be an adverb instead in which case it's "subsequently" - someone with fluent Latin may know which it is here, I certainly don't but I think an adjective makes more sense so I've taken it as "other".[/quote]Whoohooo! Thanks a bunch! It is some nicely poetic stuff. The first sentence kinda reminds me of some soliloquy I'd expect to find in a scene from Shakespeare. The rest of it, not so much. Although, considering how many years it's been since I've read Shakespeare, I wouldn't be surprised to find that a) it isn't Shakespeare or b) it's Shakespeare and even comes from a play I read so many years ago.Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:50:01 GMTKit Ghttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspx[quote][b]Steve Jones - Editor (4/7/2010)[/b][hr]The translation is"Oracle sucks, you should use a real database like SQL Server and be sure that you research, test, and document all your code solutions.And take every other Friday off"[/quote]hey, it's not April 1st any more!:-PWed, 07 Apr 2010 10:30:33 GMTL' Eomot Inverséhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspx[quote][b]Kit G (4/1/2010)[/b][hr]Any chance of getting a translation of that Latin in that last paragraph?[/quote]OK, but bear in mind that it's 49 years since I last translated a Latin passage that I hadn't previously studied in class (I wasn't allowed to use a dictionary then but I have for this) so this will definitely not be 100% accurate. (It may even be close to 100% inaccurate, but I don't think so.) I actually rather like the sentiments expressed - but I haven't a clue whether this is a quotation from some classical author or something made up for the occassion. Maybe Steve can answer that one?1st sentence:[i]While we do, to be sure, both impugn and deem worthy of justified hostility those who, enticed and corrupted by the charm of present enjoyment, in their greed make no provision for the relief of their pains and troubles, in the same way those are guilty who in the weakness of their character neglect their duties, that is by avoiding all toil and pain.[/i]I like that sentiment; I think Jeff will too - neither of us has any time for slackers.2nd sentence:[i]And indeed the distinction of these things is easy to carry out and not cumbersome.[/i]I wish that were true - if it were they'd have to change their ways or never be employed.3rd and 4th sentences:[i]For in idle times when we are free to choose any option whatsover and nothing prevents that we be able to do that which most pleases, every pleasure is to be obtained and every pain thrust away. On the other hand at certain times also whether through duties owed or through the necessities of affairs it often happens that pleasures are to be laid aside and dificulties are not to be avoided.[/i]5th sentence:[i]Therefore in such circumstances these things are held by the wise man to be chosen so that either by rejecting pleasures other(*) great things are achieved or by enduring difficulties drastic consequences are averted. [/i](*) "alias" might be "other", but it might be an adverb instead in which case it's "subsequently" - someone with fluent Latin may know which it is here, I certainly don't but I think an adjective makes more sense so I've taken it as "other".Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:29:17 GMTL' Eomot Inverséhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspxThe translation is"Oracle sucks, you should use a real database like SQL Server and be sure that you research, test, and document all your code solutions.And take every other Friday off"Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:11:20 GMTSteve Jones - SSC Editorhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspx[quote][b]Richard M. (4/1/2010)[/b][hr][quote][b]Kit G (4/1/2010)[/b][hr]Any chance of getting a translation of that Latin in that last paragraph?[/quote]One transaltion I got was this[/quote](unbelievable rubbish translation skipped)Oh God that's awful! If I don't find a translation later in this thread (pages of comments still to go) I'll try to produce a decent translation. (It's real classical Latin, not dog-Latin - at least the first few lines are, I didn't read it all yet - and any translator that made that sort of mess of it should be shot or reprogrammed (depending on whether flesh and blood or silicon with contaminants).Wed, 07 Apr 2010 08:49:25 GMTL' Eomot Inverséhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspxSplendid!(or should I say "optime plurimusque eximius"?)Wed, 07 Apr 2010 08:48:19 GMTL' Eomot Inverséhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspx[quote][b]Steve Jones - Editor (4/2/2010)[/b][hr]Glad you liked it, Dave. Took awhile to try and write it up and get something that looked real. Phil Factor helped flesh out details in a few places.[/quote]Well, you guys did a really good job with it. One of the parts I liked best was the code blocks... like you mentioned, people sorta expect to see some code blocks in the article, so you included some. But if you look at the code... FizzBuzz just didn't fit in with the topic. Just a glance at the code, if you made it that far, should have been enough....Fri, 02 Apr 2010 07:35:26 GMTWayneShttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspx[quote][b]GSquared (4/2/2010)[/b][hr]But, with this article, it's more like he told you "April Fool's" about five minutes into class, and then again at five minute intervals, and you only noticed it the last time right before the bell rang. The article does say it's a joke WAY before the end, and then repeats it frequently.Think of articles like this as a test. The longer it takes before you go "this has got to be a joke", the lower the score on the test.[/quote]In English classes, don't they call this "Reading Comprehension"? Guess the people that are upset failed... hey, maybe that's what they're really upset with!:w00t:Fri, 02 Apr 2010 07:31:28 GMTWayneShttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspxGlad you liked it, Dave. Took awhile to try and write it up and get something that looked real. Phil Factor helped flesh out details in a few places.Fri, 02 Apr 2010 07:31:13 GMTSteve Jones - SSC Editorhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspxLOL. You had me thinking "They have GOT to be kidding...". And you were! The most subtle April Fools I've seen.Fri, 02 Apr 2010 07:28:17 GMTDave Hubbardhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspx[quote][b]Patrick2525 (4/1/2010)[/b][hr][quote][b]Paul Randal (4/1/2010)[/b][hr][quote][b]Seriously, some people need to learn how to lighten up and laugh.[/quote]So you're trying to learn Greek (or pick any language you don't know), and its very frustrating but you're trying to persevere. Your professor comes to class today and is teaching you some new stuff (ie past-perfect participles), which is going straight over your head. At the end of the class he says ' btw April Fools Day - I was just teaching you jibberish!'hahaha... funny (not). Might be mildly funny to a native Greek speaker who know what was going on, though.Not a big deal, just a waste of time. But don't assume that people that didn't think it was funny are just uptight.[/quote]Actually, that would be a nice break from routine, from my perspective.But, with this article, it's more like he told you "April Fool's" about five minutes into class, and then again at five minute intervals, and you only noticed it the last time right before the bell rang. The article does say it's a joke WAY before the end, and then repeats it frequently.Think of articles like this as a test. The longer it takes before you go "this has got to be a joke", the lower the score on the test. Maybe Steve could issue a cert based on that.Fri, 02 Apr 2010 07:03:14 GMTGSquaredhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspxThat's one reason I include the disclaimer. Some people don't get it's a joke, and they might be tempted to use the advice. I was worried that they might try to rewrite something today if I didn't include the disclaimer. I'll add one at the top tomorrow so that in the future someone will not stumble across it without realizing it's a joke.Course I still see people referencing my "SQL Server on Linux" article as true at times.Thu, 01 Apr 2010 17:54:55 GMTSteve Jones - SSC Editorhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspx[quote][b]Paul Randal (4/1/2010)[/b][hr][quote][b]JasonRowland (4/1/2010)[/b][hr]Perhaps my sense of humor is twisted, but the funniest thing about this prank are the replies from the people who are upset by it.Thanks for the laugh.[/quote]Indeed - in the class I'm teaching with Kimberly, we had a good laugh with folks about the guy arguing about how much of a waste of time it was :-)[/quote]I wonder if it was the same guy that made the same complaint on Gails blog. Some people need to learn to laugh and decrease stress a bit.Thu, 01 Apr 2010 16:10:40 GMTSQLRNNRhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspx[quote][b]JasonRowland (4/1/2010)[/b][hr]Perhaps my sense of humor is twisted, but the funniest thing about this prank are the replies from the people who are upset by it.Thanks for the laugh.[/quote]Indeed - in the class I'm teaching with Kimberly, we had a good laugh with folks about the guy arguing about how much of a waste of time it was :-)Thu, 01 Apr 2010 15:42:12 GMTPaul Randalhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspxPerhaps my sense of humor is twisted, but the funniest thing about this prank are the replies from the people who are upset by it.Thanks for the laugh.Thu, 01 Apr 2010 13:52:02 GMTJasonRowlandhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspx[quote][b]Tim Weintz (4/1/2010)[/b][hr]I must say that if I were so busy that I was upset about my time being wasted (the whopping 30 seconds it took me to read that article) I likely wouldn't waste another minute posting about it. [/quote]Excellent point. :laugh:Thu, 01 Apr 2010 13:16:04 GMTTravisDBAhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspxNicely done. Very amusing, esp the "They will expect to see various diagrams an code such as this." It's a shame that people actually posted here to complain. On the bright side, It's somewhat amusing that one of the posters who complained said he agreed with "SSC Journeyman" and the article noted how many people simply skim an article and do not read things thoroughly. I must say that if I were so busy that I was upset about my time being wasted (the whopping 30 seconds it took me to read that article) I likely wouldn't waste another minute posting about it. Thu, 01 Apr 2010 12:29:50 GMTTim Weintzhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspxalways nice to share a laugh:-)Thu, 01 Apr 2010 12:09:40 GMTALZDBAhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspx[quote][b]Patrick2525 (4/1/2010)[/b][hr][quote][b]Paul Randal (4/1/2010)[/b][hr][quote][b]Seriously, some people need to learn how to lighten up and laugh.[/quote]So you're trying to learn Greek (or pick any language you don't know), and its very frustrating but you're trying to persevere. Your professor comes to class today and is teaching you some new stuff (ie past-perfect participles), which is going straight over your head. At the end of the class he says ' btw April Fools Day - I was just teaching you jibberish!'hahaha... funny (not). Might be mildly funny to a native Greek speaker who know what was going on, though.Not a big deal, just a waste of time. But don't assume that people that didn't think it was funny are just uptight.[/quote]I'm sure there are plenty of people who didn't think it was too funny - not to many who were so annoyed they felt the need to publically proclaim it a waste of time/not funny.So you wasted *five minutes* of your life - and learned that a lot of serious people in the SQL world have a sense of humor and like to poke fun at themselves sometimes. And it's April Fools Day. And you got fooled. Smile. Move on with life.Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:39:00 GMTPaul Randalhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspx[quote][b]Patrick2525 (4/1/2010)[/b][hr][quote][b]Paul Randal (4/1/2010)[/b][hr][quote][b]Seriously, some people need to learn how to lighten up and laugh.[/quote]So you're trying to learn Greek (or pick any language you don't know), and its very frustrating but you're trying to persevere. Your professor comes to class today and is teaching you some new stuff (ie past-perfect participles), which is going straight over your head. At the end of the class he says ' btw April Fools Day - I was just teaching you jibberish!'hahaha... funny (not). Might be mildly funny to a native Greek speaker who know what was going on, though.Not a big deal, just a waste of time. But don't assume that people that didn't think it was funny are just uptight.[/quote]Really? A lot of the stuff out on the internet tends to be jibberish. Maybe the real lesson it to learn between what is real and what isn't... Especially when it is April 1st.I know that we have many people outside the US who don't have a tradition of April Fools Day but I think most are atleast aware of it's existence. Maybe I'm wrong. At any rate lighten up. :) :hehe: :w00t:Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:03:05 GMTTrey Stakerhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspx[quote][b]Paul Randal (4/1/2010)[/b][hr][quote][b]Seriously, some people need to learn how to lighten up and laugh.[/quote]So you're trying to learn Greek (or pick any language you don't know), and its very frustrating but you're trying to persevere. Your professor comes to class today and is teaching you some new stuff (ie past-perfect participles), which is going straight over your head. At the end of the class he says ' btw April Fools Day - I was just teaching you jibberish!'hahaha... funny (not). Might be mildly funny to a native Greek speaker who know what was going on, though.Not a big deal, just a waste of time. But don't assume that people that didn't think it was funny are just uptight.Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:53:35 GMTPatrick2525http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspxFunny! thanks for the laugh.Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:33:59 GMTTrey Stakerhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspx[quote][b]Steve Howard-434180 (4/1/2010)[/b][hr]By the time I got to the point where you let us in on the joke, I was already planning an email to my teammates to say WTH ... we haven't been let in on any of this architectural change, and we're already supporting it in TAP. Then I had started thinking of the upgrades I've seen thus far on large databases and started thinking that how quickly we saw the upgrade of databases happen wouldn't be possible if this were accurate.[/quote]Hehe. Awesome.Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:16:54 GMTGilaMonsterhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspxWell done! :-DThu, 01 Apr 2010 10:12:06 GMTCF Randallhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspxBy the time I got to the point where you let us in on the joke, I was already planning an email to my teammates to say WTH ... we haven't been let in on any of this architectural change, and we're already supporting it in TAP. Then I had started thinking of the upgrades I've seen thus far on large databases and started thinking that how quickly we saw the upgrade of databases happen wouldn't be possible if this were accurate.In short, you got me.Thu, 01 Apr 2010 10:00:33 GMTSteve Howard-434180http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspx[quote][b]Steve S-428612 (4/1/2010)[/b][hr]I agree with SSC Journeyman. I like a joke as much as the next guy, but to have to spend five or ten minutes of an otherwise very busy day to 'get to the punchline' is a complete waste of members' time. Not an appropriate use of the forum, IMHO. SQL Server internals can be confusing enough without throwing something like this in to confuse even more. Not everyone is expert enough to not be distracted by it. I applaud the intent, but question the wisdom.:unsure:[/quote]Sigh.Wouldn't be a good April Fools if you got it straight away would it?Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:45:19 GMTPaul Randalhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspxTo be honest I expected most bloggers etc to write about April fools. I myself find it a good break in what is normally a manic day!All the people with a good sense of humour would laugh at all of these. Especially as this particular one had me right until the last sentence, such so I was about to the post asking "what have I missed or is Steve tripping?".Keep up the good work Steve, some of us appreciate it. P.S. A good one from Paul Randal...http://www.sqlskills.com/BLOGS/PAUL/post/April-Fools-Day-joke-from-my-years-at-Microsoft.aspxBEWARE!!! THIS LINK TAKES YOU TO AN APRIL FOOLS JOKE. SENSE OF HUMOUR NEEDED, BUT NOT ESSENTIAL!!!Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:43:37 GMTsql_lockhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspxI agree with SSC Journeyman. I like a joke as much as the next guy, but to have to spend five or ten minutes of an otherwise very busy day to 'get to the punchline' is a complete waste of members' time. Not an appropriate use of the forum, IMHO. SQL Server internals can be confusing enough without throwing something like this in to confuse even more. Not everyone is expert enough to not be distracted by it. I applaud the intent, but question the wisdom.:unsure:Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:28:20 GMTSteve S-428612http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspxThat was funny. I enjoyed it!!!Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:15:15 GMTsmitheydhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspxThe category does say humor after all. Great job, one of the best jokes I've seen today.Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:15:00 GMTjpertellhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspx[quote][b]GSquared (4/1/2010)[/b][hr][quote][b]Paul White NZ (4/1/2010)[/b][hr][quote][b]TravisDBA (4/1/2010)[/b][hr]They would complain about ice cream. :cool:[/quote]Well...does it [i]have[/i] to be so cold??? ;-)[/quote]And it's bad for you!And it's expensive!And ...[/quote]Yeah!!! Ice cream sucks!!!So funny.Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:09:26 GMTPaul Whitehttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspxI would hope no one sees a joke as a waste of time. It's intended in fun, and should have brought a smile to your face. If it didn't, perhaps there's something you're missing.Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:03:32 GMTSteve Jones - SSC Editorhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspx[quote][b]Paul White NZ (4/1/2010)[/b][hr][quote][b]TravisDBA (4/1/2010)[/b][hr]They would complain about ice cream. :cool:[/quote]Well...does it [i]have[/i] to be so cold??? ;-)[/quote]And it's bad for you!And it's expensive!And ...Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:00:21 GMTGSquaredhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspxThat was great. I'm preparing for the 70-433 ms sql 2008 exam and the whole time I'm thinking, "Huh, I know the book leaves out details here and there, but this seems kinda like a big one."Luckily I got to the joke part and didn't start tearing through the whole book again.:-PThu, 01 Apr 2010 08:59:50 GMTkwigganshttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspx[quote][b]Kit G (4/1/2010)[/b][hr]Richard M,heh. You used the same translation site I did. The reason I decided to ask was because of all the Latin that didn't translate. I figure it is something from English that got translated into Latin and on the pass back to English, loses a bit. Although, it would be even funnier if they took something that was translated from Latin into English, ran that through the translation program and now, after a double translation both ways is reduced to what you posted.Of course, it could just be a bunch of semi-random words and spelling that have been made to look like Latin. That would be a lot of work, but then, some people put a lot of thought and effort into April Fool's Day.[/quote]Or it could be copy-and-pasted from just about any sample of "[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorem_ipsum][b]Lorum ipsum[/b][/url]", which isn't really Latin, but looks like it.Thu, 01 Apr 2010 08:59:24 GMTGSquaredhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspx[quote][b]TravisDBA (4/1/2010)[/b][hr]They would complain about ice cream. :cool:[/quote]Well...does it [i]have[/i] to be so cold??? ;-)Thu, 01 Apr 2010 08:57:37 GMTPaul Whitehttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspxRichard M,heh. You used the same translation site I did. The reason I decided to ask was because of all the Latin that didn't translate. I figure it is something from English that got translated into Latin and on the pass back to English, loses a bit. Although, it would be even funnier if they took something that was translated from Latin into English, ran that through the translation program and now, after a double translation both ways is reduced to what you posted.Of course, it could just be a bunch of semi-random words and spelling that have been made to look like Latin. That would be a lot of work, but then, some people put a lot of thought and effort into April Fool's Day.Thu, 01 Apr 2010 08:53:24 GMTKit Ghttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic894395-83-1.aspx[quote][b]Paul Randal (4/1/2010)[/b][hr][quote][b]Patrick2525 (4/1/2010)[/b][hr]Not funny. Not being a database guru, I try to read and understand these articles when I get the chance to become more proficient, but rarely do I have the time. Even though apparently it was totally illogical to the experts, to us non-experts it was just more tech-garble that went over my head as I tried to understand it. Then I happened to catch the disclaimer.Thanks for wasting my time.[/quote]Wow - I guess you'll have to stop reading this incredible, totally free resource-rich site. It'll be a shame to see you go.Seriously, some people need to learn how to lighten up and laugh.[/quote]Agreed, this site has so much free information/advice on it for people to use anytime they want, you would think that alone would make them happy. However, I have learned in life that some people are just born miserable and there is no making them happy. They would complain about ice cream. :cool:Thu, 01 Apr 2010 08:49:05 GMTTravisDBA