InstantForum.NET v2.9.0SQLServerCentralhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/notifications@sqlservercentral.comSat, 25 May 2013 02:11:52 GMT20http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1403506-391-1.aspx[quote][b]christina.constantinou (1/7/2013)[/b]Ok cool, will do. We're currently running the database in Simple recovery mode for a number of reasons, but it's good for a heads-up as we have many and various recovery models for different databases.With regards to your second point - do you mean the DPM recovery points?Thanks[/quote]Simple actually will make your life easier, then, I'm using DPM ONLY for DBs in Simple Recovery, and haven't had issues with my Full Recovery DBs since (they get backed up via SQL jobs to disk, then DPM grabs those files.)DPM gives you the ability to create "recovery points," which are times that you could recover your data to. Using a plain file backup as an example, I could set up DPM to create hourly recovery points (RP) of that file. So if someone deleted it at 11:15am, I could recover from the 11:00am RP and go on about my day. With items such as SQL DBs, DPM has two backup mechanisms: Recovery Points and Express Full Backups (EFB)As best I can see it, think of the EFB as a full database backup, and a RP as a Differential backup. BUT because of the way DPM stores these backups, if you want to restore only the DB files (the MDF / LDF) you can NOT use the Differential backups, only the EFB. If you restore to an SQL Instance (the DB will be attached, and you can choose to have it operational and available, or left in a Recovering state,) you can choose one of your RPs to recover.Basically, you should check with whoever is in charge of the DPM (if it's you, look over the settings for your DB backups) and make sure it's set to create EFBs at your chosen recovery times (your "snapshots.") Then you should be able to recover to your SLAs as expected.Of course, don't take my word for all of this, TEST, TEST, TEST, and research elsewhere as well (the Technet forums on DPM are excellent!)JasonMon, 07 Jan 2013 10:51:35 GMTjasona.workhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1403506-391-1.aspx[quote][b]jasona.work (1/7/2013)[/b][hr]Couple other things to watch out for with DPM and SQL that I've run into.First, DPM can and will break your log chain, if you're doing backups using SQL and your DB is in Full recovery. See my discovery of this here: [url=http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1384776-1550-1.aspx]http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1384776-1550-1.aspx[/url]and here: [url=http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1387602-1550-1.aspx]http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1387602-1550-1.aspx[/url]Second, if you choose to recover to a network folder (where it will simply copy the MDF / LDF files,) it can only do this using recovery points "associated with an express full backup."Jason[/quote]Ok cool, will do. We're currently running the database in Simple recovery mode for a number of reasons, but it's good for a heads-up as we have many and various recovery models for different databases.With regards to your second point - do you mean the DPM recovery points?ThanksMon, 07 Jan 2013 10:26:22 GMTchristina.constantinouhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1403506-391-1.aspxCouple other things to watch out for with DPM and SQL that I've run into.First, DPM can and will break your log chain, if you're doing backups using SQL and your DB is in Full recovery. See my discovery of this here: [url=http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1384776-1550-1.aspx]http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1384776-1550-1.aspx[/url]and here: [url=http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1387602-1550-1.aspx]http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1387602-1550-1.aspx[/url]Second, if you choose to recover to a network folder (where it will simply copy the MDF / LDF files,) it can only do this using recovery points "associated with an express full backup."JasonMon, 07 Jan 2013 08:56:06 GMTjasona.workhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1403506-391-1.aspxThank you very much for that. I'll be back with the results of our testing if there are any unusual effects!ThanksChristinaMon, 07 Jan 2013 05:14:39 GMTchristina.constantinouhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1403506-391-1.aspxDPM = Data Protection Manager for anyone who didn't know that part.I have no experience with this myself, but my understanding is that this product works by pausing all IO on the files while the snapshot is created, hence it is roughly the equivalent of the files actually being detached at snapshot creation time and your SQL Server [b]will [/b]be able to bring the database back online if you restore these files.Mon, 07 Jan 2013 04:29:50 GMTVegard Hagenhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1403506-391-1.aspxHi there,We are currently reviewing our backup routines/recovery plans as we found that we were making a number of duplicate back ups of a particular database. DPM takes a snapshot twice during the day in accordance with our SLA, but we are concerned that in the event of corruption or failure, we won't be able to restore the database to a different environment using the .mdf and .ldf files (as they have not been detached). Could anyone tell me whether this is the case?Many thanks in advance!ChristinaMon, 07 Jan 2013 03:13:11 GMTchristina.constantinou