InstantForum.NET v2.9.0SQLServerCentralhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/notifications@sqlservercentral.comThu, 20 Jun 2013 03:10:30 GMT20http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspx[quote][b]kaspencer (12/23/2011)[/b][hr]I have complained before about the fact that many of your non-SQLserver questions are far too centred on the American and assumes that everyone is American and lives in the USA.Turkey is a valid answer, so you are absolutely incorrect in not allowing a point for selecting it.I have never been quite sure of exactly what is meant by "Thanksgiving" but rest assured, our standard food fare at Christmas is turkey. Maybe Goose is a distant second. Please put this information into your database for future reference.So there! Happy Christmas (and be damned with the expression "Happy Holidays"!).Kenneth Spencer[/quote]Definitely turkey in the UK rather than reindeer!In fact, most people in the UK, if asked what they thought of when 'turkey' is mentioned would probably say Christmas!Fri, 11 Jan 2013 08:51:25 GMTDerek Dongrayhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspxCatching up with SSC upon return from vacation (er, "holiday" for you non-Americans).... Interesting span of response to the US-Centricity of this QOD. Just to fill in the gap, no, reindeer are not a common food source in the US. The reference is to a poem (some may call it doggerel) published a century and a half ago in which the author describes St Nicholas (AKA Santa Claus, Father Christmas, other aliases?) as delivering gifts by means of a flying sleigh drawn by "eight tiny reindeer". Here's a link to a copy of it: [url]http://www.carols.org.uk/twas_the_night_before_christmas.htm[/url]Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:32:13 GMTjohn.arnotthttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspx[quote][b]marlon.seton (1/3/2012)[/b][hr]Yes, indeed, Merry Christmas, not Happy Christmas; it was the "Happy" in Happy Holidays what tricked me, guv'nor, 'onest it was.Just out of interest, what are the five living indigenous languages? I can think of English, Welsh, Gaelic and Scots. Are you counting Cornish? I thought that was officially dead.[/quote]I was thionking of English, Welsh, Scots Gaelic, Irish (don't forget that "and Northern Ireland" bit in the title of the union)and Shelta (which is not as common as it used to be, but is still heard in Scotland, in Northern Ireland, and in parts of England and Wales, as well as in the Irish Republic - it seems to have originated as a sort of GA-GD-EN creole, borrowed some (very few) words from Rromani, and undergone deliberate obfuscation to allow secrets to be discussed where gadzhe could hear, and is now rapidly becoming anglicised - more so in Ireland than in England) so I guess I should have said 6 as had missed out Scots which is certainly both indigenous and alive. Some people would say that Rromani should be counted too, as it's been in the territory which is currently the UK since well before the union of crowns in 1605, but I left it out as it's not really indigenous. Some would want to add Cornish, but I'm not sure the revival is real. Manx (which isn't in my count, because Ellan Vannin is not part of the UK) rose from the almost dead - it even got a new orthography invented for it because no native speaker was literate in it and the Bishop who promoted the reviaval hadn't the wit to ask people across the straight in Scotland if they knew it, which explains why it's so horribly difficult for speakers of the other Goidelic languages to read it - but I'm not convinced that Cornish will manage to do the same rsurrection act so I kind of sit on the fence about Cornish.Tue, 03 Jan 2012 10:52:15 GMTL' Eomot Inverséhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspxYes, I suppose I should have said "Merry Christmas" and "Happy New Year". But like Marlon, I was diverted by the "Happy Holidays" term.Kenneth SpencerTue, 03 Jan 2012 09:43:46 GMTkaspencerhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspx[quote][b]L' Eomot Inversé (1/3/2012)[/b][hr][quote][b]marlon.seton (1/3/2012)[/b][hr]Yes, here in the UK, it's turkey for Xmas and Happy Christmas, not Happy Holidays.[/quote]Well, that shows as much cultural bias (but towards one culture of the UK) as did the QotD and answer (towards United states culture).[b][i]There[/i][/b] in the UK it is presumably as you describe; but I would be greatly surprised if " Happy Christmas" were as common amongst the UK's English speakers as is "Merry Christmas" (and the tendency to combine good wishes for Christmas with those for new year pushes things to wards "merry") so perhaps "there" is quite a small area?Elsewhere in the UK it is salmon for Christmas and Nollaig Chridheil not Happy Christmas; or it's Nollaig Shona or Nadolig Llawen, or something else (I don't speak all the UK's indigenous languages) - please remember that the UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island, not the United Kingdom of England and nowhere else, and has 5 living indigenous languages not just one, and that some parts of the UK have substantial cultural differences from other parts.Anyway, Happy New Year, Bliadhna Mhath Ur, Athbliain faoi Mhaise, Blwyddyn Newydd Dda, or whatever.[/quote]Yes, indeed, Merry Christmas, not Happy Christmas; it was the "Happy" in Happy Holidays what tricked me, guv'nor, 'onest it was.Just out of interest, what are the five living indigenous languages? I can think of English, Welsh, Gaelic and Scots. Are you counting Cornish? I thought that was officially dead.Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:56:15 GMTmarlon.setonhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspx[quote][b]marlon.seton (1/3/2012)[/b][hr]Yes, here in the UK, it's turkey for Xmas and Happy Christmas, not Happy Holidays.[/quote]Well, that shows as much cultural bias (but towards one culture of the UK) as did the QotD and answer (towards United states culture).[b][i]There[/i][/b] in the UK it is presumably as you describe; but I would be greatly surprised if " Happy Christmas" were as common amongst the UK's English speakers as is "Merry Christmas" (and the tendency to combine good wishes for Christmas with those for new year pushes things to wards "merry") so perhaps "there" is quite a small area?Elsewhere in the UK it is salmon for Christmas and Nollaig Chridheil not Happy Christmas; or it's Nollaig Shona or Nadolig Llawen, or something else (I don't speak all the UK's indigenous languages) - please remember that the UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island, not the United Kingdom of England and nowhere else, and has 5 living indigenous languages not just one, and that some parts of the UK have substantial cultural differences from other parts.Anyway, Happy New Year, Bliadhna Mhath Ur, Athbliain faoi Mhaise, Blwyddyn Newydd Dda, or whatever.Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:10:46 GMTL' Eomot Inverséhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspx[quote][b]kaspencer (12/23/2011)[/b][hr]I have complained before about the fact that many of your non-SQLserver questions are far too centred on the American and assumes that everyone is American and lives in the USA.Turkey is a valid answer, so you are absolutely incorrect in not allowing a point for selecting it.I have never been quite sure of exactly what is meant by "Thanksgiving" but rest assured, our standard food fare at Christmas is turkey. Maybe Goose is a distant second. Please put this information into your database for future reference.So there! Happy Christmas (and be damned with the expression "Happy Holidays"!).Kenneth Spencer[/quote]Yes, here in the UK, it's turkey for Xmas and Happy Christmas, not Happy Holidays.Tue, 03 Jan 2012 06:23:12 GMTmarlon.setonhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspxHappy New YearWed, 28 Dec 2011 02:43:11 GMTforsqlserverhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspx[quote][b]Richard Warr (12/23/2011)[/b][hr]I wonder if Italians eat Reindeer too? We'd have to get an answer from Venice on that.[/quote]I'm from Venice and we don't (usually) eat Reindeer at Christmas.You can find reindeer meat in some German hard discounts (LIDL for instance), but I'm sure that it's a very small part of the market. :-)Tue, 27 Dec 2011 06:22:08 GMTspaghettidbahttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspxGood ol' Rudolph!Tue, 27 Dec 2011 05:57:23 GMTBritt Cluffhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspxFood!!!! :w00t:Tue, 27 Dec 2011 00:01:49 GMTAnipaulhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspxMerry Christmas and peace on Earth to all.Sun, 25 Dec 2011 23:26:39 GMTRevenanthttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspxHappy and merry X-massSun, 25 Dec 2011 21:51:53 GMTmalleswarareddy_mhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspxMerry Christmas ALLSun, 25 Dec 2011 06:42:16 GMTSQLRNNRhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspxeasy point!!! thanks Steve!!!!Happy Christmas for all!!!!!Sun, 25 Dec 2011 06:36:27 GMTrfr.ferrarihttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspxGuys, it's Christmas! Just that, Christmas. C'mon... :-PMerry Christmas.Best regards,Sat, 24 Dec 2011 21:10:37 GMTcodebyohttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspx[quote][b]kaspencer (12/24/2011)[/b][hr]Thanks for your reply Tom ...I wouldn't wish to ruin the Christmas Spirit by arguing too dramatically with your post. But I would say that the civilised are not restricted to the Christian, and I did not wish to create an impression that that was what I meant.[/quote]I agree that the civilised are not restricted to the Christian, but I do feel that countries which celebrate Christmas ought to have some concept of its origins and of the origin of the associated custom of giving gifts. Basically its the act of adopting a foreign custom without any attempt to understand what it is, or to completely forget the origins of one's own customs, that I regard as a bit uncivilised. Anyway, being a Scot I am naturally inclined to call the English uncivilised at every opportunity (just look at tuition fees and at charges for old people's homes for two obvious contemporary reasons).[quote]Of course, notwithstanding you view expressed to the contrary, I am glad to say that there are parts of England (and parts of the USA too) which are highly civilised - but I am not at all sure what the consumption of fish or turkey at Christmas has to do with civilisation. Feel free to enlighten me.[/quote]Well, parts are indeed civilised. But in a country governed mainly by professional politicians and professional public servants with little or no interest in understanding issues except as they affect the electoral advantage of their party (for the politicians) or the amount of influence they and their petty empires can wield (for the officials), although there may be civilised parts there is not a civilised whole; and both the UK and the USA have been such countries for quite a long time (longer than Christmas turkeys have been popular in the UK). I suspect that civilisation has no connection with the question of fish or turkey for Christmas dinner, and didn't suggest that it had; my point about turkey versus fish and/or goose was that the tradition of turkey for Christmas is pretty new in Britain (turkey for Christmas was something that almost no-one did during most of my life to date) rather than something long established as you seemed to suggest and not something that all of us British would recognise as the most obvious animal association with Christmas even if we were thinking about food.[quote]I guessed that you were writing from France - no doubt you'll correct me if I am wrong - and if so you'll be well aware of what has happened to the fish from our English and Scotish waters - much of it has been thrown back into the sea dead! I would not dare ask you if you know why![/quote]I'm a long way south of France, in a Spanish Island about 480 miles south west of Casablanca. There is plenty of local fish around here (I don't think either vieja is found in British waters, nor dorada). Most of what time I have spent in France was spent in the south, where the Mediterranean and the Bay of Biscay were the source of most saltwater fish (and I'm pretty sure the freshwater fish were not from English or Scottish waters either). And I do of course know why much fish is thrown dead into the sea: it's because the stupidity, selfishness, and intransigence of various European governments (the French, the British, and others) has precluded the agreement of any sane conservation policy and has landed us instead with a regime which encourages this wasteful and destructive nonsense.[quote]Merry Christmas to you Tom.[/quote]And to you too.Sat, 24 Dec 2011 17:58:55 GMTL' Eomot Inverséhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspxThanks for your reply Tom ...I wouldn't wish to ruin the Christmas Spirit by arguing too dramatically with your post. But I would say that the civilised are not restricted to the Christian, and I did not wish to create an impression that that was what I meant.Of course, notwithstanding you view expressed to the contrary, I am glad to say that there are parts of England (and parts of the USA too) which are highly civilised - but I am not at all sure what the consumption of fish or turkey at Christmas has to do with civilisation. Feel free to enlighten me.I guessed that you were writing from France - no doubt you'll correct me if I am wrong - and if so you'll be well aware of what has happened to the fish from our English and Scotish waters - much of it has been thrown back into the sea dead! I would not dare ask you if you know why!Merry Christmas to you Tom.Kenneth SpencerSat, 24 Dec 2011 12:04:45 GMTkaspencerhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspx[quote][b]wware (12/23/2011)[/b][hr][quote][b]SQLRNNR (12/23/2011)[/b][hr][quote][b]Mike Dougherty-384281 (12/23/2011)[/b][hr]Just to clarify for those confused by the eating association to these animals, we don't eat black cats for Halloween either.[/quote]Well, maybe. Ever heard the song Cat's in the Kettle?[/quote]Maybe, but I'm pretty sure no one eats bunnies on Easter![/quote]There you would be wrong. Quite a lot of people here eat bunnies at any time of year, including Easter. Maybe that's why the people are sometimes referred to as "conejeros". I've been fed fried rabbit on Easter Saturday in France, and eaten rabbit pie on Easter Monday in Scotland, so it's not just here either.Sat, 24 Dec 2011 11:24:32 GMTL' Eomot Inverséhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspx[quote][b]kaspencer (12/23/2011)[/b][hr]I have complained before about the fact that many of your non-SQLserver questions are far too centred on the American and assumes that everyone is American and lives in the USA.Turkey is a valid answer, so you are absolutely incorrect in not allowing a point for selecting it.I have never been quite sure of exactly what is meant by "Thanksgiving" but rest assured, our standard food fare at Christmas is turkey. Maybe Goose is a distant second. Please put this information into your database for future reference.So there! Happy Christmas (and be damned with the expression "Happy Holidays"!).Kenneth Spencer[/quote]Yes, there is cultural bias there. :-DBut you appear to suffer from cultural bias too - relating to a cultural difference between the old and the young; if you are thinking about food, to me Turkey is a distant third; and Goose a poor second to Salmon.:-PIt's actually very convenient that I now live in a country (one of several in Europe) where traditional Christmas food is fish, and no longer in Britain where it has for a couple of decades been predominantly boring old Turkey. :-)But despite that, the correct answer should perhaps be something like Ox, or *** (the animals in the stable) or Sheep (the flock guarded by those who received an angelic visit) or Camel (how the kings travelled from port to stable) - after all, the first five letters in the name of the holiday suggest we should interpret the question that way. :alien:However, I believe that the gross commercialism that has overtaken the western world actually makes Reindeer" the correct answer - not a cultural bias based on which siode of the atlantic one might be, as you suggest, but a cultural bias based on the idea that the most important thing about the holiday is presents (because they drtive retailers' profits) and their mythical means of delivery. :w00t:Of course in civilised countries, which include neither England nor the USA, people are aware that Epiphany happened some time after the birth - traditionally 12 days - and the gifts are assoiated not with Christmas but with that festival - and are received on the night of 5th January (that of course rules out Camel as well as Reindeer since the Camels belong 12 days after Christmas). ANyway, Merry Christmas to one and all. Even to the English. Guidheam slàinte is sòlas dhuibh a h-uile latha a chi 's nach fhaic.Sat, 24 Dec 2011 11:11:43 GMTL' Eomot Inverséhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspxAmericans. Sigh.Happy Christmas, wherever you are. Off to find some forum questions to replace the seven points missed here today.Fri, 23 Dec 2011 23:11:38 GMTPaul Whitehttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspx[quote][b]Mike Dougherty-384281 (12/23/2011)[/b][hr]Just to clarify for those confused by the eating association to these animals, we don't eat black cats for Halloween either.[/quote]Ewww! Of course not. They are far to stringy. For Halloween we eat small children, of course. Why else the candy to lure them in?But seriously...Just want to say thanks for everything to all of the wonderful folks here on SSC. Best of all in the New Year and all the new years to come.I think I speak for a lot the faithful readers in saying that we wouldn't be nearly as successful in our daily endeavors if it weren't for you guys. Thanks again.Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:29:10 GMTPossinatorhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspx[quote][b]george sibbald (12/23/2011)[/b][hr]was torn between reindeer and turkey, but knowing that americans eat turkey at thanksgiving guessed right.so what do americans traditionanlly eat at christmas?[/quote]With Christmas being much more internationally celebrated than Thanksgiving, and with such a wide diversity of ethnicities in the U.S.A., I'm not sure there [b]is[/b] a traditional Christmas dinner. In our home we'll often have a home-grown turkey (a repeat of Thanksgiving dinner), but we've had ham, chicken, roast beef, pea soup (Dutch style), even Pizza (when the kids were younger)!Merry Christmas to all!Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:24:59 GMTRob Schripsemahttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspx[quote][b]paul.goldstraw (12/23/2011)[/b][hr]I got the answer right but only based on the American-centric nature of previous questions. A question for the Americans here though; if Reindeer is the logical answer and Turkey is for Thanksgiving, what do you eat for Christmas Dinner? Is it black cat?[/quote]Since the question did NOT ask what we eat for the holiday but the item most associated with Christmas it is of course Reindeer pulling Santa's sleigh.Now at our family gathering on both Thanksgiving and Christmas, we typically have Roast Turkey, Baked Ham, assorted vegetables - potatoes, string beans, carrots, cabbage all set on the table for each individual to select what they want and the quantities they want. Desert is typically a slice of baked apple pie with or without ice cream topping.Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:41:24 GMTbitbucket-25253http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspxwas torn between reindeer and turkey, but knowing that americans eat turkey at thanksgiving guessed right.so what do americans traditionanlly eat at christmas?Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:40:06 GMTgeorge sibbaldhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspx[quote][b]paul.goldstraw (12/23/2011)[/b][hr]I got the answer right but only based on the American-centric nature of previous questions. A question for the Americans here though; if Reindeer is the logical answer and Turkey is for Thanksgiving, what do you eat for Christmas Dinner? Is it black cat?[/quote]I have never seen one myself, but I hear some people eat a creature called a turducen. It has 6 drumsticks!Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:30:09 GMTJAZZ Masterhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspxI got the answer right but only based on the American-centric nature of previous questions. A question for the Americans here though; if Reindeer is the logical answer and Turkey is for Thanksgiving, what do you eat for Christmas Dinner? Is it black cat?Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:42:05 GMTpaul.goldstrawhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspx[quote][b]SQLRNNR (12/23/2011)[/b][hr][quote][b]Mike Dougherty-384281 (12/23/2011)[/b][hr]Just to clarify for those confused by the eating association to these animals, we don't eat black cats for Halloween either.[/quote]Well, maybe. Ever heard the song Cat's in the Kettle?[/quote]Maybe, but I'm pretty sure no one eats bunnies on Easter!Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:36:23 GMTRose Budhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspxMerry Christmas to my #SQLFamily! Reindeer steaks are delicious, though they're very difficult to find in the US....so we'll have a nice beef steak and a stellar wine for our Christmas dinner this year. :-DFri, 23 Dec 2011 08:32:18 GMTLadyRunahttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspx[quote][b]OzYbOi d(-_-)b (12/23/2011)[/b][hr][quote][b]JAZZ Master (12/23/2011)[/b][hr]Merry Christmas everyone.And for the record, I don't eat reindeer. I don't want Santa anger with me! :-D[/quote]Santa shouldn't get too angry since in Australia he tells us he has snow white boomers (kangaroos) pull his sleigh! Although the roos may not be as happy having to pull extra shifts... :PMerry Christmas everyone![/quote]I did not know that! That cool :cool:. Does Santa use any other animals in different part of the world?Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:26:03 GMTJAZZ Masterhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspx[quote][b]Mike Dougherty-384281 (12/23/2011)[/b][hr]Just to clarify for those confused by the eating association to these animals, we don't eat black cats for Halloween either.[/quote]Well, maybe. Ever heard the song Cat's in the Kettle?Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:25:57 GMTSQLRNNRhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspx[quote][b]JAZZ Master (12/23/2011)[/b][hr]Merry Christmas everyone.And for the record, I don't eat reindeer. I don't want Santa anger with me! :-D[/quote]Santa shouldn't get too angry since in Australia he tells us he has snow white boomers (kangaroos) pull his sleigh! Although the roos may not be as happy having to pull extra shifts... :PMerry Christmas everyone!Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:20:32 GMTOzYbOi d(-_-)bhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspxMerry Christmas everyone.And for the record, I don't eat reindeer. I don't want Santa anger with me! :-DFri, 23 Dec 2011 08:11:28 GMTJAZZ Masterhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspxMerry christmas!In Belgium, turkey is traditional christmas dinner, but I guessed the correct answer :-)Fri, 23 Dec 2011 07:29:25 GMTKoen Verbeeckhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspxGive Kenneth his points! :)We Canadians generally eat turkey for Christmas too. Merry Christmas Everyone!Fri, 23 Dec 2011 07:22:54 GMTsburcombehttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspxHappy Holidays to everybody! Peace and Joy! :-DFri, 23 Dec 2011 06:55:36 GMTBarbWhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspxJust to clarify for those confused by the eating association to these animals, we don't eat black cats for Halloween either.Fri, 23 Dec 2011 06:46:35 GMTMike Dougherty-384281http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspxHappy Hollidays, everybody.Stay safe!Fri, 23 Dec 2011 05:22:04 GMTSqlMelhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspxSeason Greetings and Marry Christmas to all.Youth is when you're allowed to stay up late on New Year's Eve. Middle age is when you're forced to.Fri, 23 Dec 2011 05:12:19 GMTcrazy4sqlhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1226068-32-1.aspxGot it right, although in the UK we have Turkey for dinner, I guessed Reindeer so pleased with the points.Merry Christmas.Fri, 23 Dec 2011 04:33:03 GMTskanker