InstantForum.NET v2.9.0SQLServerCentralhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/notifications@sqlservercentral.comWed, 22 May 2013 03:44:31 GMT20http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspxI think Amazon did rather badly on 1984, but they say they won't do it again. It's a definite disadvantage of e-books that something like that can be done.I read probably more than 150 books a year, a lot of them on trains or planes or in station waiting rooms or departure or transit lounges at airports. In a typical year between 5 and 10 of them will be technical (CS or IT or Maths). Maybe two dozen will be other non-fiction. The rest will be fiction. Almost all in English, but some French and some Gaidhlig; and I decided I really should learn to handle Spanish properly so right now I'm struggling with El Pais del Fin del Mundo (Pratchett is probably not the best place to start on a language, but ...) and as I intend to spend most of my time around 29°00' north, 13°40' west from now on (can't stand the British climate) the amount of Spanish reading will rise and the English will drop. There's some Latin poetry on my shelves still but I find I mostly can't follow it any more - except Catullus, which is easy because I love his stuff so. I haven't any sort of e-book reader. Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:06:39 GMTL' Eomot Inverséhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspxI am one of those people that try to keep their books looking good as long as possible. My parents taught me that books are your friends and to treat them with respect. Breaking the spine of a book was tantamount to murder in my parents house! I also like to re-read books so I have quite a library. I was lucky growing up in that my father was the general manager - marketing at Golden Press for some years and we got lots of books at a substantial discount. Hey, maybe that's what I should do, find a publisher to work for! It would certainly save me money.Oh I forgot to say that we are so used to the book prices in Australia that second hand book stores don't do any better than in other countries.Sun, 02 Aug 2009 16:25:28 GMTNicole Bowmanhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspx[quote]We currently pay about AU$25-$35 for a new paperback fiction book.As you can see my reading habits are expensive here in Australia so I try to get books from second hand stores, borrow from libraries and swap books with friends.[/quote]Book chain is loosely coupled book club five, ten or twenty people each buys just one book and all read five, ten or twenty books. It comes with the pressure to finish the book on time so the chain is not broken. See if you can start one.:-)Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:26:04 GMTGift Peddiehttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspx[quote][b]Nicole Bowman (7/29/2009)[/b][hr]We currently pay about AU$25-$35 for a new paperback fiction book.[/quote]It certainly doesn't make any sense why books would be that expensive for you! Obviously if you can get them more economically from Amazon, then shipping can't be the culprit.[quote]As you can see my reading habits are expensive here in Australia so I try to get books from second hand stores, borrow from libraries and swap books with friends.[/quote]I certainly can't blame you on this one. I bet 2nd hand book stores do well in business, don't they?Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:07:46 GMTAaron N. Cutshallhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspx[quote][b]Grant Fritchey (7/31/2009)[/b][hr]Too bad I couldn't do the same for She Who Must Be Obeyed. Every book I've recommended her to read has come back looking like she chewed on it. Put me in the nice, clean stacks of books category.[/quote]I hear you there!! I'm the same way with my books. I like to keep them nice for as long as possible. My wife will have them torn, food stains on them, phone numbers written on them, etc. It drives me nuts!! :crazy: Therefore, I either purchase a separate copy for her (usually the paperback edition) or I check it out of the library. Either way, that way she'll leave mine alone!Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:01:18 GMTAaron N. Cutshallhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspx[quote][b]Grant Fritchey (7/31/2009)[/b][hr][quote][b]mazzz (7/31/2009)[/b][hr][quote][b]Steve Jones - Editor (7/24/2009)[/b][hr]clean, used books? give me a battered, dirty, bent copy any day, as long as all the pages are in there![/quote]Same here- the first thing I do when I buy a book is crack the spine! I don't like borrowing books as I don't feel I can enjoy the book properly without making a mess of it!I'm probably in the 100 books a year camp. Almost entirely fiction, with a good mix of genres.I'm also in the paper book camp - there is an almost ritualistic feel to reading for me, a gadget just wouldn't cut the mustard.[/quote]Oh no, don't crack the spine... jeez. I'm not lending you any of my books.[/quote]heh, I like my books to look lived in. Pristine books make me sad, they look like they've never been read[quote]Seriously, I'm busy training my kids in how to read a book without breaking it.[/quote]You do realise this makes it more likey that they *will* break books...? ;-)[quote] Too bad I couldn't do the same for She Who Must Be Obeyed. Every book I've recommended her to read has come back looking like she chewed on it. Put me in the nice, clean stacks of books category.[/quote]Good job my husband is as messy a reader as me really!Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:00:07 GMTmazzzhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspx[quote][b]mazzz (7/31/2009)[/b][hr][quote][b]Steve Jones - Editor (7/24/2009)[/b][hr]clean, used books? give me a battered, dirty, bent copy any day, as long as all the pages are in there![/quote]Same here- the first thing I do when I buy a book is crack the spine! I don't like borrowing books as I don't feel I can enjoy the book properly without making a mess of it!I'm probably in the 100 books a year camp. Almost entirely fiction, with a good mix of genres.I'm also in the paper book camp - there is an almost ritualistic feel to reading for me, a gadget just wouldn't cut the mustard.[/quote]Oh no, don't crack the spine... jeez. I'm not lending you any of my books.Seriously, I'm busy training my kids in how to read a book without breaking it. Too bad I couldn't do the same for She Who Must Be Obeyed. Every book I've recommended her to read has come back looking like she chewed on it. Put me in the nice, clean stacks of books category.Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:50:38 GMTGrant Fritcheyhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspx[quote][b]Steve Jones - Editor (7/24/2009)[/b][hr]clean, used books? give me a battered, dirty, bent copy any day, as long as all the pages are in there![/quote]Same here- the first thing I do when I buy a book is crack the spine! I don't like borrowing books as I don't feel I can enjoy the book properly without making a mess of it!I'm probably in the 100 books a year camp. Almost entirely fiction, with a good mix of genres.I'm also in the paper book camp - there is an almost ritualistic feel to reading for me, a gadget just wouldn't cut the mustard.Fri, 31 Jul 2009 09:42:14 GMTmazzzhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspxMy wife has a Kindle and she finds the e-Ink very easy on the eyes. In fact I thought when we got her the Kindle that I would have [i]some [/i]time with it, but she orders her next book almost immediately and I have not gotten on the machine at all. She dropped her Kindle off the bed last week and cracked the case, called Amazon and there was a new Kindle at the door the next day. She pulled her current book from the archive and it opened up to the last page she was reading. We put the cracked one in the mail back to Amazon the next day. She is sold on the thing for sure.Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:38:44 GMTbarry.kellerhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspx[quote][b]Steve Jones - Editor (7/27/2009)[/b][hr]Nicole, I'd be curious what you thought of the e-ink. If you go to a Borders or a Target, you can see the Sony reader. Spend 15 minutes there, and I think you'll be surprised. The e-ink is as good as paper. Nothing like a iPod/laptop/cell phone screen.[/quote]Hey Steve,Apparently the reader market in Australia is very murky. Technically the Sony reader books are only available to American readers so Aussies either have to get a US credit card or set up two accounts and send gift vouchers from one to the other to purchase books. Again Kindles are US only. We do have another reader, the Iliad (approx AU$900!), which is tied to Dymocks bookstores. The price of ebooks from Dymocks is extortionate at about a $5 discount on the paper version. This means that Dymocks ebooks are usually well over AU$20 and Dymocks quotes a 1-4 week delivery time on some ebooks?!Because of these restrictions neither Borders nor Target stock these readers as far as I am aware and most people here seem to buy their readers online. Dymocks in Sydney only have the Iliad at their main store in the city which I can't get to easily. I'll just have to wait until someone I know gets one and/or the Australian market sorts itself out. We have always paid much higher prices for books here than in the US. I can often get 2 technical books delivered from Amazon for the price of 1 book delivered from Dymocks even taking into account the exchange rate. We currently pay about AU$25-$35 for a new paperback fiction book.As you can see my reading habits are expensive here in Australia so I try to get books from second hand stores, borrow from libraries and swap books with friends.Cheers,Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:58:32 GMTNicole Bowmanhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspxI'm not sure the sony reader allows annotations. The iPhone apps don't, though you can bookmark a page.The PC reader (BN) does allow notes.Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:41:49 GMTSteve Jones - SSC Editorhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspxThanks for the update Steve. I will check it out this weekend.JoeWed, 29 Jul 2009 13:25:00 GMTcrookjhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspxJoe, you can highlight and annotate on the Kindle. Not quite the same thing, but just so you know.I think it's a great device and platform, but there are issues to work out.Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:57:19 GMTSteve Jones - SSC Editorhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspxI read between 3-5 Technical books a year (most tech reading is done online) and I read between 40-50 fiction books each year.I understand the logic behind not putting the books in an electronic format where then can be manipulated and changed but... I would love to have them in a format where I could use Word or any other word processor to edit them. Highlighting areas, adding notes, cutting and pasting, etc. Until that is available, give me an old fashioned paperback or hard back.JoeWed, 29 Jul 2009 12:55:08 GMTcrookjhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspx[quote][b]Matt Miller (7/27/2009)[/b][hr]It really should be possible to hold onto the documents you paid for outside of the period of the class, and yet - a full 1/3 of the calsses I am in essentially force you to "rent" the material for the 10 weeks you're in the class, only to lose your access to the class materials within a month after it is done.[/quote]I totally sympathize with you on this one. The book fees you pay for while taking a class is essentially the same price as if you had purchased a hardcopy book outright. If I'm going to pay that kind of money, I'd like to have the book to keep. If I don't want to keep it, then I want some of my money back as though I'm selling a used book. Of course, I somehow don't think that I can purchase a used ebook!After I received my degree from University of Phoenix online, they switched to a different online service that allows me to still have access to a very nice ebook library. Not only can I read them online, but I can download PDF copies of the books. Of course, the books have DRM and require me to use my UoP authentication to open them, but that's a small issue to me in view of the numerous books available.Tue, 28 Jul 2009 06:51:37 GMTAaron N. Cutshallhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspxNicole, I'd be curious what you thought of the e-ink. If you go to a Borders or a Target, you can see the Sony reader. Spend 15 minutes there, and I think you'll be surprised. The e-ink is as good as paper. Nothing like a iPod/laptop/cell phone screen.Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:00:30 GMTSteve Jones - SSC Editorhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspx[quote] Canada, Australia and Russia its as free as a bird. Then again, another article I found had the same US copyright year (2044), but was published on 1st April, so it may be an April Fool. [/quote]I am not sure about Russia but his books are required high school literature text in the old commonwealth nations. So the free in Canada and Australia maybe related. But I could be wrong.:Whistling:Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:32:36 GMTGift Peddiehttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspxI read 1-3 fiction books a week and probably 2-5 technical books a year. I don't like to read electronic stuff as my eyes hurt after a while. Paper is the go for me. Much easier to read in bed too!I must say that I don't like the idea that a company can just remove stuff from a person's e-reader/PC etc without any notification. I would prefer not to give companies that kind of access to my gadgets.Cheers,Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:05:55 GMTNicole Bowmanhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspx[quote][b]Matt Miller (7/27/2009)[/b][hr][quote][b]mike brockington (7/27/2009)[/b][hr]There is an additional issue here, which I don't think has been touched on in this thread, which is that major printing houses can abuse this system. As I understand it, "1984" has now passed out of copyright here in the UK, and may therefore be legally published by anyone. The publisher that complained to Amazon may not actually hold a valid copyright anymore, in either jurisdiction, but Amazon is effectively acting as judge-and-jury on this, and are only ever going to rule one way.[/quote]I've seen this issue a lot. You find that publishers hold a lot more cards than they were intended to. By maintaining full control of the manuscripts even well after the copyright expires, the maintain control over the specific material much longer than was ever intended.[/quote]Yep - I googled it earlier to work out if Nineteen Eighty-Four was still in copyright and WikiPedia states that in the US it doesn't come out of copyright until 2044 and Europe in 2020. Canada, Australia and Russia its as free as a bird. Then again, another article I found had the same US copyright year (2044), but was published on 1st April, so it may be an April Fool. :unsure:Copyright in the UK usually ends 70 years after the death of the author, so 2020 is correct on this side of the Atlantic as Orwell died in January 1950.Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:51:17 GMTAbbshttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspx[quote][b]mike brockington (7/27/2009)[/b][hr]There is an additional issue here, which I don't think has been touched on in this thread, which is that major printing houses can abuse this system. As I understand it, "1984" has now passed out of copyright here in the UK, and may therefore be legally published by anyone. The publisher that complained to Amazon may not actually hold a valid copyright anymore, in either jurisdiction, but Amazon is effectively acting as judge-and-jury on this, and are only ever going to rule one way.[/quote]I've seen this issue a lot. You find that publishers hold a lot more cards than they were intended to. By maintaining full control of the manuscripts even well after the copyright expires, the maintain control over the specific material much longer than was ever intended.For example - the Berlin Philharmonic recordings with H. von Karajan should all be hitting that limit this year (20 years is the limit as I recall), but just try to find copies after that deadline passes. What's more - I have yet to find ANY reader/player that's smart enough to know that something like that is not supposed to have a licensing restriction.One final cold shower I've had recently is when I was taking classes. Many university courses have switched to using some form of e-book (ocmpiled form articles by various folks), but none of the professors/curricula can agree on what service to use, so you end up with a dozen different e-book providers, each with different access restrictions during and after the class, which is both disturbing and disappointing. It really should be possible to hold onto the documents you paid for outside of the period of the class, and yet - a full 1/3 of the calsses I am in essentially force you to "rent" the material for the 10 weeks you're in the class, only to lose your access to the class materials within a month after it is done.Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:03:13 GMTMatt Miller (#4)http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspx[quote][b]Steve Jones - Editor (7/25/2009)[/b][hr]Should consumers that purchased somthing from Dish network have their DVRs disabled remotely, and lose their content, because of an issue with TiVo?[/quote]Hmm, I see your point, though I thought the DVRs were only rented from Dish, not bought outright (I would certainly not purchase a DVR from a service provider). It seems to me that the issue with Dish/TiVo is that Dish knowingly stole something from TiVo and even after being ordered by the court to remove the offending DVRs from users, chose instead to continue stealing TiVo's intellectual property. Much like DirecTV has done, Dish could have licensed the TiVo technology and ended the issue, without harming their customers. They chose not to do so, which is unfortunate for their customers, but not really TiVo's concern. As the fines on this one mount I would not be surprised to shortly see TiVo owning Dish and the problem being corrected in that manner.Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:41:33 GMTbarry.kellerhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspx[quote][b]Aaron N. Cutshall (7/27/2009)[/b][hr][quote][b]GSquared (7/27/2009)[/b][hr]On DR, I think Amazon should have told people what was going on, but I think they did what they had to on pulling the material back. I'm a firm believer in intellectual property and copyright. I don't pirate music or movies (or books).[/quote]I don't believe the issue is in what Amazon did due to the circumstances, but the method they went about doing so. You're right that they should have sent an email (or notice through the Kindle) that on such-and-such date that they books were going to be removed and their money refunded BEFORE doing such an act. To do so without proper notification is rather heavy-handed and a violation of personal rights.Just my 2 cents worth.[/quote]Totally agree with you. They took the necessary action, but did so in the wrong way.Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:15:49 GMTGSquaredhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspx[quote][b]GSquared (7/27/2009)[/b][hr]On DR, I think Amazon should have told people what was going on, but I think they did what they had to on pulling the material back. I'm a firm believer in intellectual property and copyright. I don't pirate music or movies (or books).[/quote]I don't believe the issue is in what Amazon did due to the circumstances, but the method they went about doing so. You're right that they should have sent an email (or notice through the Kindle) that on such-and-such date that they books were going to be removed and their money refunded BEFORE doing such an act. To do so without proper notification is rather heavy-handed and a violation of personal rights.Just my 2 cents worth.Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:13:42 GMTAaron N. Cutshallhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspxI read 1 or 2 books a week, usually. Sometimes more. When I was a teen, I read one or two books a day pretty regularly. So, yeah, I think I read a bit more than is usual.I don't read a lot of non-fiction books, but I do read thousands of words per week of non-fiction online. Encyclopedic stuff, technical stuff, political and historical, it's all over the place. I don't watch TV, so I have a lot of time for reading and other activities.On DR, I think Amazon should have told people what was going on, but I think they did what they had to on pulling the material back. I'm a firm believer in intellectual property and copyright. I don't pirate music or movies (or books).Mon, 27 Jul 2009 07:56:49 GMTGSquaredhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspxThere is an additional issue here, which I don't think has been touched on in this thread, which is that major printing houses can abuse this system. As I understand it, "1984" has now passed out of copyright here in the UK, and may therefore be legally published by anyone. The publisher that complained to Amazon may not actually hold a valid copyright anymore, in either jurisdiction, but Amazon is effectively acting as judge-and-jury on this, and are only ever going to rule one way.Mon, 27 Jul 2009 03:39:13 GMTmike brockingtonhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspxThe connection, or maybe there isn't one, is that what type of rights does an individual deserve with their purchases. If you purchased a book from Amazon, and they can edit/remove it from your reader, is that a danger?What if you built an application using a web service that transforms data using some built in task? Can Microsoft come remove your application from their "OS" if there is some legal issue with the task? What if they want to prevent lawsuits?Should consumers that purchased somthing from Dish network have their DVRs disabled remotely, and lose their content, because of an issue with TiVo? The danger to our individual rights is what concerns me. It is less murky when it's a legal order, but still, the easy enforcement of those judgments seem to be a problem to me. Or a potential problem. Every large convenience has a dark side as well.Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:00:40 GMTSteve Jones - SSC Editorhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspxI read two to three books a month normally. I say normally because I started reading [i]Infinite Jest [/i]a few months ago and it is really slow going. I still have about 1,000 pages to go. I like to own books, hardbound if possible and that is what I mostly read. My wife has a Kindle and when I finish [i]Infinite Jest[/i] I get one too so she says. BTW, I missed the connection in your post between individual rights in a online-linked platform and TiVo enforcing its patents against Dish. I don't see a correlation.Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:42:57 GMTbarry.kellerhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspxI read 20-50 books a year, depends on the year. I like the physical book better than any electronic delivery. Don't like Audio books at all.One of my questions is are you purchasing the ebook or are you leasing the ebook. Do you have the rights to sell the ebook to another party when you no longer want it, removing it from your device? If it is a lease agreement then either of the partners to the agreement should be able to end the agreement with prior notice. If the ebook was a sale then no they shouldn't have removed the books.Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:25:29 GMTSQL_Lizardhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspxThe number of books I read varies so much. One year I may only read (or parse) a few technical books and the next I may read 20-30 novels and other non-technical works of non-fiction (astronomy, general science, philosophy, etc.). I don't have any of the new ebook readers but I do get a lot of ebooks in pdf form available (legally) from many sites and read them at my computer.As for the "crime" and its resolution, I like to put it terms of hardware. Suppose I happen upon a garage sale and buy a TV. Unknown to me, the TV was stolen. Also unknown to me, the thief is subsequently caught, tried and convicted. The police find out that the TV was sold to me. There is no question about me not knowing that the TV was stolen but it now must be returned to its rightful owner. So the authorities wait until I leave my house, break in, remove the TV and return it to the owner.I think everyone will admit that would be a travesty, an infringement of [i]my[/i] rights and an extremely dangerous legal precedent to have established. But that is what Amazon did. There is absolutely no reason Amazon could not have sent an email to all their customers ahead of time explaining the situation and notifying them that the works in question would be removed at the next uplink.There seems to be a disturbing trend in the world today of people thinking that just because they are in the "right" means they can be as heavy handed as they wish in their remedy. This is surrendering the moral high ground, and the least of the disadvantages is that the victim also surrenders any empathy the public holds out to true victims.Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:21:17 GMTTomm Carrhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspxI read Animal Farm in high school made a note to read 1984 but never got to it, I skipped Mein Kampf but read the late Bill Schirer comprehensive first person report of the war instead the Rise and the fall of the third Reich. I have to read the base class for .NET 4.0 and SQL Server 2008 RC2 BOL so I may not have time for books soon. I remember high school book chain the book must be finished on a fixed date.Amazon apologized for the incident.[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rise_and_Fall_of_the_Third_Reich[/url];-)Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:48:39 GMTGift Peddiehttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspx[quote]I purchased a program called Book Collectorz...iPhone[/quote]That's a good idea. I don't own a cell phone, PDA, etc. But if I ever do get something like that, I will have to look into one that can handle my book list. An electronic list would certainly be better than carrying around a paper list.Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:35:27 GMTJJ Bhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspx[quote][b]JJ B (7/24/2009)[/b][hr]I had to start a list (database) for self preservation. I read so many, I can't keep track and I found myself buying the same books that I already had in my library. I print out the list (including my 'wanted' list) and carry the list, along with my latest book, around with me all the time. Then, if I find myself in a place to buy more books, I can look up if I have read the book already or not.The hard part is that even printed in tiny print on both sides of the paper, the list is getting pretty thick.[/quote]I purchased a program called Book Collectorz that works pretty well. I just enter the ISBN and it looks up the book, photo and all, and will insert it into my collection. I keep different lists for different categories of books or locations of books. The nice thing is that I can export it to an iPhone so when I see a book at a garage sale I can check to see if I already have it or not.Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:24:44 GMTAaron N. Cutshallhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspx[quote][b]Terri (7/24/2009)[/b][hr]Lots of libraries around the country use the service called Overdrive. I never used it until now because I have an iPod and until last month you couldn't transfer Overdrive books to Apple devices.[/quote]Yep, that's the one. I may look into that again now that I'm getting an iPhone.Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:19:37 GMTAaron N. Cutshallhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspx[quote]I should start keeping a list. [/quote] I had to start a list (database) for self preservation. I read so many, I can't keep track and I found myself buying the same books that I already had in my library. I print out the list (including my 'wanted' list) and carry the list, along with my latest book, around with me all the time. Then, if I find myself in a place to buy more books, I can look up if I have read the book already or not.The hard part is that even printed in tiny print on both sides of the paper, the list is getting pretty thick.Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:04:49 GMTJJ Bhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspxForgot to comment on the Amazon issue. Amazon put themselves into a tough spot by allowing these books to be uploaded and then came across as heavy-handed in their response. I certainly don't like the fact that they removed them from your library without first notifying you. I don't have a Kindle and won't as I can't spend $300 on a reader, and I get most of the books I read from the Library. How often will I re-read a book? I definitely think it would be nice to buy a book and get it in multiple formats. This certainly makes sense for on-line retailers, buy a book on Amazon and get the Kindle version included with the hard copy. You can start the book on your Kindle immediately and yet still get the Hard Copy delivered.Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:02:03 GMT Jack Corbetthttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspxI have no idea how many books I read in a year, probably anywhere from 20-50. I should start keeping a list. I have to admit that I struggle to read technical and professional development books because they are too dry. I tend to go on reading binges where I'll read 5 or 6 books in a month and then not read books for awhile (blogs, on-line articles I read regularly).I read mostly sci-fi/fantasy with some religion/theology thrown in. If my kids (6, 8, 10) have books they want to read I usually screen them as we want to make sure the books are age appropriate.Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:57:48 GMT Jack Corbetthttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspx[quote][b]Aaron N. Cutshall (7/24/2009)[/b][hr][quote][b]Terri (7/24/2009)[/b][hr]We can do just that now with audiobooks at our library. That is, I can go on line and "check out" an audiobook. The book is downloaded to my PC where I can listen to it or (depending on the publisher) copy to mp3 player, iPod or even burn to CD. The book "expires" in 2 weeks.[/quote]Ours introduced that a couple of years ago through another link (probably the same one you use). I find it frustrating that on some I cannot burn to a CD and listen to them in my car for that's where I listen to audio books the most while I'm driving. And of course, DRM prevents me from burning the MP3 files to an audio CD or listening to them on devices that do not support that particular version of DRM.[/quote]Lots of libraries around the country use the service called Overdrive. I never used it until now because I have an iPod and until last month you couldn't transfer Overdrive books to Apple devices.Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:50:59 GMTTerri-92562http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspx[quote][b]Terri (7/24/2009)[/b][hr]We can do just that now with audiobooks at our library. That is, I can go on line and "check out" an audiobook. The book is downloaded to my PC where I can listen to it or (depending on the publisher) copy to mp3 player, iPod or even burn to CD. The book "expires" in 2 weeks.[/quote]Ours introduced that a couple of years ago through another link (probably the same one you use). I find it frustrating that on some I cannot burn to a CD and listen to them in my car for that's where I listen to audio books the most while I'm driving. And of course, DRM prevents me from burning the MP3 files to an audio CD or listening to them on devices that do not support that particular version of DRM.Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:45:32 GMTAaron N. Cutshallhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspxclean, used books? give me a battered, dirty, bent copy any day, as long as all the pages are in there!E-books are OK. reading on an LCD (pc, iPhone, etc.) isn't the same, and it definitely tires the eyes. The Kindle/Sony readers don't have that issue.Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:44:39 GMTSteve Jones - SSC Editorhttp://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic758689-263-1.aspx[quote][b]Aaron N. Cutshall (7/24/2009)[/b][hr]Several years ago I entered an essay contest at our local library about what I envisioned the library of the future to be. Basically, I envisioned a device similar to the Kindle where I could go to the library (either in person or online) and "check out" a book. The book would exist on my device for a limited time. If I wanted more time, I would "renew" my book. When the time expired or when I wanted to "return" my book, it would be erased and therefore be made available again. This method would apply not only to books, but magazines, newspapers, audio and video materials.I didn't win that contest nor received any feedback. That's unfortunate because it would have been interesting to know what the dissenting comments would have been. It's funny how at times any of us can become a seer of the future![/quote]We can do just that now with audiobooks at our library. That is, I can go on line and "check out" an audiobook. The book is downloaded to my PC where I can listen to it or (depending on the publisher) copy to mp3 player, iPod or even burn to CD. The book "expires" in 2 weeks.Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:39:56 GMTTerri-92562