I'm sorry Mr Celko but at what point does plagiarism come in to my post? All I said was 'show us what you've done'. I made no mention of copyrighted material and I fully understand why sanctions have to be taken against those that mis-use it. It seems to be a huge leap though, from suggesting the best way to ask for help to talking about expulsion for plagiarism. My original post is also completely true, I don't mind helping with homework (as far as I can), but I don't want to spoon-feed somebody when they will probably learn more by thinking through a problem themselves with assistance from others.